Poker run boats
 

Ok, bear with me, I am in BFI japan and bored out of my mind.


Question:

If you were going to build or buy a pure poker run boat (No Cabin), why would you even consider a V over a cat?:food-smiley-007:

What do you see as advantage or disadvantages?

:ernaehrung004:

depends on where you'll be attending poker runs
open ocean = v-hull or real big cat
flat water = cat

just my .02

Why choose the V hull in open water over the cat?

I thought modern big cats handle the rough just as good as V hulls?

And, thanks for your .02 I'll take anything I can get!

Why would you think that? They are good, but you have two hulls to worry about piercing big waves, not one. :D That was my 1/2 cent

Insurance

Big cats== big transport problems , lots of expense when you tilt them on there side, insurance and the big water risk is always there, when the big lakes kick up Erie or Mich and the water is mixed up 5-8' footer's that cat is going to be a problem where as a big V will just bring you home safely ! just my nickel :drink:

RHC

X2 on that comment

Insurance?? Transportation??

I for one would really like to see a head to head with say a 42 Fountain PR to say a 42Mti PR with exact same stock power say 700's or 1075's or even 525's. It seems to me everytime a V hull or Cat bragg about passing one another, the power is not even?? I am not convinced that a big cat is faster given same power by todays V hulls, 8 years ago yes, but today ????

BTW we used to sell a certain Cat builder.

WILL:ernaehrung004:

You can see this at any OSS race the supercat lite vs. OSS vee

The cat is faster.

Seriously, how can you not be convinced, or are you just kidding around?

you know, all those vee's that run up front at poker runs and races... :drink::evilb:

That's why I asked if he's just messing around. I could possibly understand if it was even a close comparison, but the margin is WIDE between the two hulls, in ANY water.

....and what's up with essentially the rogue wave argument always coming up. People act like they regularly go out every weekend in 15-20 foot waves, so they really need something that can safely run 150mph in those conditions..... :rolleyes::drink:

One word bro.................... Hydrodynamics.

Well again now your speaking of race boats that have more experienced drivers, weight ratios and god knows what else. I would just like to see PR versions with same power be fairy compared. I think it's a fair request?

I mean help me out, what doe a 40 PR Skater run with 525efi's?? I am not looking for a pissing contest, just some honest answers.:ernaehrung004:

I can only assume anyone that thinks a modern cat can not handle rough water has never been in a cat. Dragging a video out from the 80's showing V hulls picking on those old school cats in the offshore races is no longer true. There are very large differences in cat hulls just as in V hulls. Some cat hulls are scary junk and borderline dangerous at high speed. Go for a ride in a Skater or MTI then tell me you think.

I don't understand how a you don't think the oss race is a perfect example??? you know what the boats wiegh ( I believe they have a weight requirment but could be wrong) equal power ( no cheating internal or computer reprogramed etc.) and you have two experienced drivers in each ( the cat guy would be considered an expert in a cat and the v driver will be considered an expert in a v). This is as good as it can get. I have been on pokerruns and sometimes you do a little drag race here or there, but my boat could be heavier do to gas, luggage, people etc. or just built that way as the owners request or could be paper thin because wanted to go fast... I believe the race is an equal playing field all the way..

V hull for me. . . . i just like the way my big V's ride. Nothing against cats at all because i prefer those to race. I have just always had V's and like the ride. Although i do think a supercat lite would also be a great poker run boat i think if i had to make a final choice i would go with a big V for the lake i run (Erie).

Who has the pics of that whale looking tri-hull Fountain? That would be my first choice.

Second would be Catmando's Carlson tri-hull.

Those boats are in a performance class of their own!! :D :D :D

I know you're not trying to start a battle. :ernaehrung004:

I actually wasn't talking about race boats. Apples to apples, REAL pleasure cats are much faster than real pleasure vees, no matter the size. When I say "real", I mean a true cat that does not have the center sponson.

Nobody on purpose would build a pleasure 40 Skater with only 525's. I do not think Peter would even let you do it. You buy high end cats to go fast. A fair comparison is look at race boats with 525's . I believe the race cats are pushing 130 mph with 525's
40 MTI pleasure is 130+ with 700's. 38 Fountian with 700's is about 115.
By the way I have been in 38 Fountains and they are terrific boats.
You need to go for a ride in a modern cat.

size for size, weight for weight, power for power...

cats if you want to go fast, rough or smooth.

vee's if you want to cruise, rough or smooth.

Kilo Speeds
30 Miccosukee Lap Speed Record Speed
1st run 1st Direction 115.408 115.00
2nd Direction 114.592
Fountain race boat

Team Amsoil Cat
131.9
Skater race boat

Both are 525 setups.

case closed!! game blouses:evilb:

OK, I can accept the facts, I just wanted some:drink: I mean you got to admit, everytime a Cat says he wooped a V, and other way around, it is NEVER a FAIR playing ground.

As for comparing race boats, Holy smokes thats a discussion that I am not going to get into. I see how racers get into it.

I gues the old saying of "How fast does it go, is relative to the size of the wallet":ernaehrung004:

Kilo Speeds
30 Miccosukee Lap Speed Record Speed
1st run 1st Direction 115.408 115.00
2nd Direction 114.592
Fountain race boat

Team Amsoil Cat
131.9
Skater race boat

Both are 525 setups


NOW...let us look at how much more money you need to get that 14.5 MPH. How much is the cat MSRP compaired to the V? big price gap between V and Cat. BIG.

yea and you get what you pay for...fountain=mustang skater=Ferrari:eek:

uhh ohhh
 

Dont Forget MPD!

:grinser010:

so skater is a Ferrari in compairison? So I need to bring my skater in for expensive service all the time and put new clutch packs in every 3 to 6000 miles?

and it goes back to my original point cost...
Mustang gt 500 0-60 4.4 seconds
Ferrari 430 0-60 3.4 seconds

Ferrari.....240,000
Mustang.....40,000

NOW...let us look at how much more money you need to get that 14.5 MPH. How much is the cat MSRP compaired to the V? big price gap between V and Cat. BIG.[/QUOTE]


Lets get back to the question, which one is faster ?????? waite I know the answer....

well whats the answer.....there has been thousands of pages on this subject....please tell us once and for all so there will never be another thread on this subject!

Problem solved
2 cat killer's coming right up :party-smiley-004::grinser010:

In Destin (I think 06) OSS Worlds it was a fairly rough water race and in those conditions an Outerlimits V with 525s caught and passed alot of the catlite boats...only 2 or three finished ahead of it...the OL was not the fastest 525 boat on the course but on that day in those conditions it outperformed many of the cats

39 MTI 575sci's and XR's 120 MPH
42 Fountain 575sci's and XR's 88-90 MPH

42 Fountain 1350 Sterlings 126 MPH
42 MTI 1150 Sterlings 156 MPH

All first hand comparisons. I think there is a pattern.

My wife wont ride in a 100+ MPH Fountain again after running 150 in an MTI.

TX Hawk, Must have been some older boats, I personally went and have video of me and three others in a 42 PR Fountain with 1075's GPS 140.4 so either your #'s are off, or much older boats?? Many 42 Pleasure versions running 120's with 850's??

Again it would be nice to see a head to head comparison, but maybe that would take the fun out of discussion:ernaehrung004:

850 39 MTI, 150 mph
1075 MTI, 160 mph
hot 1075, 170+ (same engines 42 pr had)

matt's examples of eddies boats are as real as it gets, they might not bet the fastest setups for either boats, but they were true pleasure boats, not strung out magazine or kilo boats...

Not at all. :ernaehrung004:

They happen at almost every event, but it's literally so lopsided that it rarely gets discussed, much less planned. Even a good number of OL guys have switched to cats, because they are capable of, and handle big speeds much better.

Just stock merc 1075's?? I have a bridge that would be perfect for you...priced right!!

If 2005 is older...

Does it matter if they are older boats if they were the same year model? I have seen your video. The 42 above was not a 42 PR.

I dont think it gets any better than the 39 Bravo MTI vs. 42 Bravo Fountain. I don't care what power you have in a bravo Fountain, its not going to run 120 MPH any day of the week.

So how fast is a Skater 388 with standard Merc 1075's?

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