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Why does this need to happen????
:bsflag:Bill Taylor (Poker Runs America) has been on a mission since the first part of last week to keep poker runners from attending the Platinum Poweboat club Lake Norman event. There have been phone calls from several people saying that Bill has personally called them and asked them to not attend the Lake Norman event that is happening at the end of this month. This is very sad. A poor turn out will only hurt the kids of Make a Wish Foundation. If you can find the time to forward this or a letter to your clients in support of Puttin on the Wish, Lake Norman event it may help overcome some of the damage that he has done. As of today at 1:30 pm ,71 Make a Wish participants have RSVP'D for rides on July 31st! There is stil 12 days to RSVP for the event. If we pull together we can make this great for the kids!
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What is the reasoning??
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first post....and there has to be more to this story, just can't see something like this happening out of the blue...
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Originally Posted by Chuck
(Post 2910082)
What is the reasoning??
Note that Platinum founding members are guys that have done a lot FPC/ PRA events in the past so they are probably trying to get their friends (also FPC/PRA members) to support the new club. This is America right? Survival of the fittest and may the best promoter win....... |
Originally Posted by oceanracer
(Post 2910078)
:bsflag:Bill Taylor (Poker Runs America) has been on a mission since the first part of last week to keep poker runners from attending the Platinum Poweboat club Lake Norman event. There have been phone calls from several people saying that Bill has personally called them and asked them to not attend the Lake Norman event that is happening at the end of this month. This is very sad. A poor turn out will only hurt the kids of Make a Wish Foundation. If you can find the time to forward this or a letter to your clients in support of Puttin on the Wish, Lake Norman event it may help overcome some of the damage that he has done. As of today at 1:30 pm ,71 Make a Wish participants have RSVP'D for rides on July 31st! There is stil 12 days to RSVP for the event. If we pull together we can make this great for the kids!
Who is this posting and what is your connection? |
Is platinum a for profit organizer?
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Originally Posted by augie58
(Post 2910120)
Is platinum a for profit organizer?
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Originally Posted by oceanracer
(Post 2910151)
No they are a non profit organization to Benifit The Make A Wish Foundation all funds raised go to help the childrens wishes get granted. you can see what its all about at http://www.platinumpowerboatclub.com/
Well.....if PRA is actually doing this......that is a crappy thing to do. |
Originally Posted by Chuck
(Post 2910082)
What is the reasoning??
Hope it isn't true. |
Things behind the scenes will come out !!!
I am not going to stir the pot on this. And I am sure That oceanracer is connected to Platinum. Also I am sure that bill does not want all the hard work that he did to bring a major poker run to lake norman be sent down the road and have future ones blocked from coming. He did an excellant job and thru all the bs he put on a safe and excellant run That hopefully will get bigger as the years come. Just Bring up the lake norman run post from last year and you will figure out who is oceanracer is or connected too. And why are they useing all the photo from the pra run on lake norman last year on there website for there club promoting it and there run!!!!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 2910089)
PR's are all down in attendance across the board
Jammin on the James had 108 boats!! maybe a few should call RPBA and get some guidance!!!! Make these runs about something other then yourselves and people will be there! Most of us are more fortunate then others... Its not a bad thing to make someones wish come true.. On the other hand some people make there living off organizing events! Maybe they should step back like most of us have in this economy and not make people dig so DEEP. Just my.02 |
Originally Posted by mmareno
(Post 2910250)
Jammin on the James had 108 boats!! maybe a few should call RPBA and get some guidance!!!! Make these runs about something other then yourselves and people will be there!
Most of us are more fortunate then others... Its not a bad thing to make someones wish come true.. On the other hand some people make there living off organizing events! Maybe they should step back like most of us have in this economy and not make people dig so DEEP. Just my.02 Well said! I concur....glad everyone enjoyed the JOTJ Run this weekend. It is an awesome event; we made 07' & 08' but this year was different.....our little girl Bailey came on June 16th! Speaking from experience, BT can be an arrogant SOB. Any questions, pm me and I'll elaborate. Just my .02 |
If this is true its really low and I hope it comes around and bites him where it hurts...his bank account!
To actually take the time to call people up and deter them from attending an event is BS. There are a few guys that make their living at organizing and running events, nothing wrong with it, but to pull this is wrong. I hope its not true. |
I know Bill and I find this hard to believe.
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The Platinum Powerboat Club is about supporting the sport of high performance boating and granting wishes for the less fortunate. This club is a not for profit organization. There date does not conflict with a Bill Taylor's date, so why be so shallow as to hurt the efforts of what's good? After all, Joy put Bill Taylor's event on last year, he should Thank her!
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I've met Kenny and Wendy, i I think it is great that they have taken the time along with others to help make a wish. Many of us make our livings in areas that have been hit hard by the economy such as auto and construction, and for them to still put on an event speaks volumes of the type of people they are.
this same mentality is what has ruined racing. |
Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 2910086)
first post....and there has to be more to this story, just can't see something like this happening out of the blue...
QUICK THREAD JACK For my own information as well as the benefit of others as this comes up on occasion. What is the minimum post count a user is required to have obtained on this board prior to saying anything negative and/or questioning anyone with any sort of notoriety or long standing affiliation with offshore boating? Thank you. |
Originally Posted by texaschopper
(Post 2910538)
QUICK THREAD JACK For my own information as well as the benefit of others as this comes up on occasion. What is the minimum post count a user is required to have obtained on this board prior to saying anything negative and/or questioning anyone with any sort of notoriety or long standing affiliation with offshore boating? Thank you. This board (like many others) has a history of "one post wonders" who pop on here anonymously, post some inflammatory comment, and then disappear. There is almost always more to the story. This sort of behavior was in evidence over and over again, from the Mike Allweis APBA/SBI b.s., to the snit about the Havasu poker run that went for-profit, to rumors of a certain brand of boat barrel rolling. The vast majority of time people use the ability to post here constructively, but some take advantage of the ability to be anonymous in order to simply stir up some ****. Now, if the original poster had come on here and said something like this: Hey all, I know this is my first post, but hear me out. I don't want to post my name at this time, but wanted to relay this situation. As you may know, Platinum Powerboat Club was formed with the intent of putting on a poker run on Lake Norman. This group is non-profit and the proceeds benefit Make-a-wish foundation. I've heard from several people that Bill Taylor of PRA has contacted them and ask them not to participate in Platinum's run. Again, this is what I've heard from a couple folks; I've not been contacted directly. I don't know why Bill would do something like this, but wanted to relay the story. I've tried to contact him numerous times to ask about this but have not gotten a response, so I thought the next step would be to put this out on OSO. As it stands, it looks like the OP heard something through the grapevine and jumped on here to slam Bill Taylor and PRA on a public forum. Has anyone contacted Bill and asked him WTF? Don't know. Anyone that has been contacted directly want to chime in and relate the content of that conversation? I have no dog in this fight - could be that Bill Taylor is the reincarnation of Ghandi, or that he's the biggest ***** in the world. I am saying that the original post looks an awful lot like any number of first post slams we've seen around here in the past, and a little moderation would go a long way toward establishing some credibility. I'm off to get the popcorn - you guys want butter? |
Yes Dockrocker it was mostly sarcasm but you make a valid point, so my question has been answered and now back to the topic at hand
Hey all, I know this is my first post, but hear me out. I don't want to post my name at this time, but wanted to relay this situation. As you may know, Platinum Powerboat Club was formed with the intent of putting on a poker run on Lake Norman. This group is non-profit and the proceeds benefit Make-a-wish foundation. I've heard from several people that Bill Taylor of PRA has contacted them and ask them not to participate in Platinum's run. Again, this is what I've heard from a couple folks; I've not been contacted directly. I don't know why Bill would do something like this, but wanted to relay the story. I've tried to contact him numerous times to ask about this but have not gotten a response, so I thought the next step would be to put this out on OSO. |
Originally Posted by dockrocker
(Post 2910589)
I'm guessing your question is mostly sarcasm, but as one of the "oldest" members on here (had to re-register once, but I've been here pretty since there was an OSO) I'll give an an answer anyway.
This board (like many others) has a history of "one post wonders" who pop on here anonymously, post some inflammatory comment, and then disappear. There is almost always more to the story. This sort of behavior was in evidence over and over again, from the Mike Allweis APBA/SBI b.s., to the snit about the Havasu poker run that went for-profit, to rumors of a certain brand of boat barrel rolling. The vast majority of time people use the ability to post here constructively, but some take advantage of the ability to be anonymous in order to simply stir up some ****. Now, if the original poster had come on here and said something like this: Now something like that takes the Joe Friday, just the facts approach. Instead, we get a first post that *could* just be anger and indignation, but looks and smells an awful lot like an effort to just stir up ****. Given the history of "one post wonders" in this community, there's a tendency to take such posts with a grain of salt. As it stands, it looks like the OP heard something through the grapevine and jumped on here to slam Bill Taylor and PRA on a public forum. Has anyone contacted Bill and asked him WTF? Don't know. Anyone that has been contacted directly want to chime in and relate the content of that conversation? I have no dog in this fight - could be that Bill Taylor is the reincarnation of Ghandi, or that he's the biggest ***** in the world. I am saying that the original post looks an awful lot like any number of first post slams we've seen around here in the past, and a little moderation would go a long way toward establishing some credibility. I'm off to get the popcorn - you guys want butter? |
I know - I lost that .gif in a system crash and have never been able to find another copy. :(
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Get your popcorn ready! Ask all of the questions you want. It's about time someone stands up for what is right, Thank you Oceanracer! Respectfully, Joy President of the Platinum Powerboat Club
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Originally Posted by dockrocker
(Post 2910636)
I know - I lost that .gif in a system crash and have never been able to find another copy. :(
Inconceivable! |
I know - my google-fu is weak... if I could remember where I grabbed it in the first place, I might have a fighting chance. Plus I can't find a place to replace my avatar here now, probably because I'm no longer a paying member.
** sorry for the hijack - we now return you to your regularly scheduled episode of "As The Bravo Grenades...." :D |
Originally Posted by oceanracer
(Post 2910078)
:bsflag:Bill Taylor (Poker Runs America) has been on a mission since the first part of last week to keep poker runners from attending the Platinum Poweboat club Lake Norman event. There have been phone calls from several people saying that Bill has personally called them and asked them to not attend the Lake Norman event that is happening at the end of this month. This is very sad. A poor turn out will only hurt the kids of Make a Wish Foundation. If you can find the time to forward this or a letter to your clients in support of Puttin on the Wish, Lake Norman event it may help overcome some of the damage that he has done. As of today at 1:30 pm ,71 Make a Wish participants have RSVP'D for rides on July 31st! There is stil 12 days to RSVP for the event. If we pull together we can make this great for the kids!
I received a call from Bill last week on my cell phone to ask if we still planned to attend his run in September and if he could count on our support. I told him "YES" and he thanked me and said he was very excited about this 2nd annual event and that he looked forward to seeing me and the wife. There was nothing said about the other run and from what I know of Bill and the way he operates he is above that kind of stuff. I'm sure it is very competitive in the poker run world right now with the economy but he ran a great and SAFE event last year and we had a blast and we look forward to supporting him. I find Bill to be fine individual that runs a first rate operation and he has contributed a lot to this sport. I hope both events are successful, both are safe and fun and both do a great job for their charities. If my boat was running I would be supporting and attending both runs. |
Joy:
Is the assertion of the original poster accurate and verifiable ? I have not dog in the fight as I am not participating in the event. However, I would be terribly disappointed if that were happening. Is PRA the same organization that tried to back away from making the charitable contribution that was promised during one of the high stakes poker runs ? TC |
WOW!!! I dont see how calling boaters to reach out for an invite to a poker run is wrong. It seems like due dillengence to me.
With any run at LKN being so controversial to begin with, and the huge push to have it at the end of September last year (kids back in school and lake traffic down) - planning another PR at the same location two months earlier after Bill said that they planned to return could be considered a "back door" move by Platinum. Regardless of what took place last year to upset everyone, the simple facts remain. Joy helped Bill with the "event planning" portion of the PRA event last year. It went great. After this event Joy and Kenny started the PPC - conducing PR and events for Make A Wish - a very worthy cause. Bill re-up for the same deal this year, and Joy and the PPC decided to have a similar event two months earlier. Free country, public lake, they can do what they want Personally, I think that July is too busy to have ALOT of big boys out running. There is a huge difference in July and September as far as regular boat traffic. With safety such a concern and personally knowing both parties, I am sure that precautions have been taken to have a great deal from both groups. I would suspect that both groups would support the sport and eachothers run, as two charties will benefit. For those who dont know - PRA does a great job with the LKN run, the floating lunch is definetly something different and the day at the track is a great change of pace. With all that said, Joy thanks for your help last year. However, I am sure that in your absence PRA will be able to plan the PR this year. And good luck with your charitiy rides and PR this month. I hope that you raise $$$ for Make A Wish. The kids really enjoyed it last year. |
Hi TC,
Is the assertion of the original poster accurate and verifiable ? Unfortunately, this seems to be the case. I have not dog in the fight as I am not participating in the event. However, I would be terribly disappointed if that were happening. I would love to be able to have a friendly conversation with Bill about this. There is enough room for this club in the industry. What we do, is for the love of the sport and the less fortunate. No one wins when these type of tactics are used. Especially you guys! Is PRA the same organization that tried to back away from making the charitable contribution that was promised during one of the high stakes poker runs ? I only know about our club. I have helped Bill on several events, it is very heartbreaking to have him doing this, especially for the kids who can't defend themselves. This club has raised over $33,000 for children with life threatening medical conditions. Lake Norman is where we started! I hope that everyone will focuse on the good of our sport! Set the childs play to the side! Let's all be friends! |
Originally Posted by MegaByte*3
(Post 2910776)
Joy:
Is the assertion of the original poster accurate and verifiable ? TC |
Originally Posted by PRINCESS TA
(Post 2910809)
Lake Norman is where we started!
See - now this statement is misleading. Platinum has not had an event on Lake Norman. Last year was PRA's event!! The founders of Platinum helped with the planning of PRA's Poker Run. There does not need to be any bad mouthing on the phone, internet or at the dock. Let the people decide where they want to go and hopefully they will attend both events. |
In the larger picture, if I were PPC, I wouldn't feel slighted at all if this is actually true. PPC puts on an entirely different event experience than any of the other clubs from what I've seen. They aim to make their events extremely high end in every aspect. The lodging, dining, marina's, etc are all 5 star, or as close as possible depending on the location.
I don't think the percentage of people that will choose only one of the two events will be enough to cause any realistic loss of revenue, or notable competition to either clubs' goals. |
Originally Posted by BLee
(Post 2910874)
In the larger picture, if I were PPC, I wouldn't feel slighted at all if this is actually true.
Originally Posted by BLee
(Post 2910874)
I don't think the percentage of people that will choose only one of the two events will be enough to cause any realistic loss of revenue, or notable competition to either clubs' goals.
Most of the poker run / fun run participants I know are hungry to participate in as many events as they can. IMHO, competition for paying customers should be on the amenities & experience the promoter provides. If a charity event threatens the profitability of a for-profit event, then up the ante with a better experience. All that said, if it can be reasonably demonstrated that a PPC event poses a risk to the participants, or to the sport in general, then I can support the notion that a responsible promoter would suggest to his buds that they not participate. |
Originally Posted by MegaByte*3
(Post 2911125)
I don't think this is about PPC being slighted, or simple competition for paying customers. The original poster made an assertion that one poker run promoter was calling boaters and asking them to not participate in another promoter's event. IF that is happening, I would find that appalling. Especially since this is not the first time it has happened.
Most of the poker run / fun run participants I know are hungry to participate in as many events as they can. IMHO, competition for paying customers should be on the amenities & experience the promoter provides. If a charity event threatens the profitability of a for-profit event, then up the ante with a better experience. All that said, if it can be reasonably demonstrated that a PPC event poses a risk to the participants, or to the sport in general, then I can support the notion that a responsible promoter would suggest to his buds that they not participate. |
Originally Posted by MegaByte*3
(Post 2911125)
I don't think this is about PPC being slighted, or simple competition for paying customers. The original poster made an assertion that one poker run promoter was calling boaters and asking them to not participate in another promoter's event. IF that is happening, I would find that appalling. Especially since this is not the first time it has happened.
Most of the poker run / fun run participants I know are hungry to participate in as many events as they can. IMHO, competition for paying customers should be on the amenities & experience the promoter provides. If a charity event threatens the profitability of a for-profit event, then up the ante with a better experience. All that said, if it can be reasonably demonstrated that a PPC event poses a risk to the participants, or to the sport in general, then I can support the notion that a responsible promoter would suggest to his buds that they not participate. |
Originally Posted by kickin32
(Post 2910219)
Things behind the scenes will come out !!!
I am not going to stir the pot on this. And I am sure That oceanracer is connected to Platinum. Also I am sure that bill does not want all the hard work that he did to bring a major poker run to lake norman be sent down the road and have future ones blocked from coming. He did an excellant job and thru all the bs he put on a safe and excellant run That hopefully will get bigger as the years come. Just Bring up the lake norman run post from last year and you will figure out who is oceanracer is or connected too. And why are they useing all the photo from the pra run on lake norman last year on there website for there club promoting it and there run!!!!!!!!! I don't blame anyone for that! |
Originally Posted by NASCAT
(Post 2911511)
Actually my understanding is that a particular group did all the leg work paving the way for last years run & PRA said they wanted to put their name on it at the last minute and the folks that built it & promoted said ok. This year they chose to take it to the next level & do it themselves minus all the drama!
I don't blame anyone for that! Drama????? Which side of this deal started this crap thread? I thought that I never see the day where NASCAT takes the side of Scardey Cat!!! |
Originally Posted by apppedigree
(Post 2910803)
WOW!!! I dont see how calling boaters to reach out for an invite to a poker run is wrong. It seems like due dillengence to me.
With any run at LKN being so controversial to begin with, and the huge push to have it at the end of September last year (kids back in school and lake traffic down) - planning another PR at the same location two months earlier after Bill said that they planned to return could be considered a "back door" move by Platinum. Regardless of what took place last year to upset everyone, the simple facts remain. Joy helped Bill with the "event planning" portion of the PRA event last year. It went great. After this event Joy and Kenny started the PPC - conducing PR and events for Make A Wish - a very worthy cause. Bill re-up for the same deal this year, and Joy and the PPC decided to have a similar event two months earlier. Free country, public lake, they can do what they want Personally, I think that July is too busy to have ALOT of big boys out running. There is a huge difference in July and September as far as regular boat traffic. With safety such a concern and personally knowing both parties, I am sure that precautions have been taken to have a great deal from both groups. I would suspect that both groups would support the sport and eachothers run, as two charties will benefit. For those who dont know - PRA does a great job with the LKN run, the floating lunch is definetly something different and the day at the track is a great change of pace. With all that said, Joy thanks for your help last year. However, I am sure that in your absence PRA will be able to plan the PR this year. And good luck with your charitiy rides and PR this month. I hope that you raise $$$ for Make A Wish. The kids really enjoyed it last year. |
Can't all you Skater Bruthas just get along:hitfan::ernaehrung004:
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Originally Posted by NASCAT
(Post 2911583)
Well said except it's actually not in July it's Aug 1st! LOL!:party-smiley-004:
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I said it was my understanding, I only know what I've been told.
I don't take sides just support what I believe in to be the correct or best way! Ultimately I agree w/ BLee, the people that choose to be a part of the CPBA Run this weekend will probably be a different group of performance boaters than those that elect to participate in the PPC Run Aug 1st as will the group that attends the PRA Run in Sept. CPBA has a loyal following, their run is low key, fun & less expensive, PPC is catering to a differnt clientle w/ the ultimate goal of supporting Make A Wish & PRA has been around a long time & has it's own loyal following. The conflict of interest is probably minimal IMO! |
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