Uncle Dave

No cheap shot intended - only observation.

Look at it objectively, my data has posted sources.
Actually "I" dont have any personal data,
I just copy data from the guys that make the product.
Until you answered sigma labs- how would I/we know?

I would very respectfully disagree with you - it always boils down to the #'s no matter what.

I dont expect to change your mind, but I dont see how we are supposed to believe-

1. that all the testing numbers somehow dont matter. All the data is somehow skewed to make corecell look bad and is really meaningless.

(first you accused me of posting bogus data now you say the data itself is meaningless)

2. The most successful names in performance boating all have it wrong and are building boats out of material you specifically say is flower planter material.

When you say things like that you insinuate everyone else is stupid and only you get it.



UD

tommymonza

Hell back in the day you could buy one for 400,000 until the owners wanted every luxury in the world in them.

Only the engine room had 1/4 5 ply plywood on the sides and than 1 layer of glass over the plywood and just one layer of glass over the frames and juniper planks on the inside hull bottom.under the engines.The plywoods primary function believe it or not was to prevent plank print through years down the road that would happen if you used just glass over the planks.
The rest of the boat inside was just bare frames and planking like you would see in any wood boat.We would spray some deadly primer and paint on it dont recall what it was.

What you see in the pics on the website of the boats being built rightside up is the laying of the keel and than they would insert a couple of frames and than using a fairing batten across thoses frames they would get the shape of the frame needed to fill the gap and build it.All the boats started with a basic few frames to get the overall shape and just were tweaked and eyed in from there.
Once you had your frames all up you would fair the angles of the frames with a planer and grinder to get them flush to recieve the planking.Than the fun part planking.One guy mixes another spreads the thickened epoxy between the planks and on the frames and 3 guys nail them in with like a #8 copper nail.5 guys could pank up a boat in 2 days. That is the fun part as you see alot of progress so quickly.
Than a day of fairing the planking with a 36 grit grinder. Fun stuff i tell you.
Next step was 2 layers of 1708 on the bottom followed by fairing compound so there was no fiberglass sanding between coats.
Nexy step the 1/4 inch ply hung vertically on the sides glued with thickened epoxy and screwed in with drywall screws.
Next step some 1708 over the plywood after you removed the drywall screws and sanded any residue off followed by fairing compound. No glass sanding in the shop if you can help it.
And than the really fun part 2 days of the whole crew sanding and fairing with 3 foot fairing boards.Paul was great though on sanding day he would have you sand for the morning and thanmake the crew luch on the grill and give us the rest of the day off with a whole days pay.Not much but i thought it was nice of him and it kept the crew enthused.
The Buddy Davis line was one of the only convential fiberglass mold built boats in the area.Huge facility for the area, I think Wanchese.
I would go back and do it again if i had the chance,Dirty work but pretty cool all in all.Wouldn't want to do it at a glassboat shop though to dirty and itchy.

Steve 1

Uncle D-100 is a Baltek product you should Know that! the scrim you like there was in fact what started that company ,IMHO one of Schoells guys Back in the old days when it came in blocks and you had to place every one of them anyway he got the idea to put a fine mesh in them to facilitate the process,
Now that said Buzzi spent time in our shop when he raced a Gray Ivecco Cat in Key West one Year and he would bond the Core then rip the scrim off it and that was the advice he gave me on the subject, I built a 55 footer out of it and the sheets bag in like anything else.

My point here it that the D-100 was the strongest representation of that material as the glass scrim does not add to the physicals of the laminate it detracts!

Regards

Steve 1

No I was only pointing OUT your Fallacy here and fixation to a set of numbers that are useless when applied to some material and trying to show the Hydormats place in the scheme of things!

Uncle Dave

When you say my fallacy you are really saying (Skaters, Schiada's, Sabre, Lavey, Eliminator big list....) companies that have been in business 50-55 years, many have boats still running today from that era.

You are arguing with the builders as much more than you are me.

Whenever the #'s dont work out like people want, they cry foul and claim testing distortion.

Like I said I didnt publish the #'s. I only posted the manufacturers data. You attacked me personally saying I posted bogus data.

You "sell" your boats against the companies above claiming they use inferior materials- tough sell when the THIRD PARTY #'s dont align with your agenda.



UD

Steve 1

Uncle That is not going to work and I am not trying to sell anything here, just showing you the "Why" and error of your ways , But it seems a futile effort at best.Testing has always played a big role in what I do and rely on That feed back..

Second Point no matter what the workup indicates on paper a sample from the Lamination Shop needs to be evaluated.

Uncle Dave

How about we respectfully agree to disagree on core material?



UD

AIR TIME

just was asking you to explain, if gel would be stiff and crack. well my old boat is cord with balsa and has lasted 20yrs and my new boat is all balsa and well known for its taking a licking and keeps ticking. I have seen a corded boat take a impact last summer when a another boat bumped in to it at 2 or 3 mph with its nose and put a dent in it 6'' and I noticed cracking of the custom paint or gel it was a skater that got hit. and its not balsa on the side of the hull. thats why I asked. boy I hope my new ride doesn't crack it sure sounded like steelwhen I checked it out in oct. so what are the lastest boats that you built were they ob or ib what power speeds. thanks later

PhantomChaos

NO!! Don't do that! Keep the thread going......! I don't know crap about this stuff but I was learning something. Maybe you're just not understanding Steve's run-on posts? Maybe he's not understanding the numbers from the manufacturers? Maybe you like wood and he doesn't?

Steve 1

LOL Nort my life has been all about the numbers like My first Cat was living Math! Plus,

having the not only the Resin Laboratory's Phone Numbers But research Chemists (who BTW do not even speak our language)home phone numbers when I was doing a lot of work that needed extending Gel times and ETC..

And The Core Manufacturer Himself dropping by once in a while.


JUST Using those Numbers WITHOUT real world evaluation is NOT understanding the the Problems.

I will make another Post.