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BRET 03-22-2010 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by cocktails (Post 3072356)
I can Honestly say I will never go back to That Lake. It may be a pretty lake but there are alot of great watering holes where the people are great. Keep in mind I told you a small portion of the story. It was alot worse than I have time to tell. When you say LG guys not sure who you are talking about but I called every single Marina / Yacht club listed on the lake and got know where. The answer was always the same. We can't help you. Good luck with the future. Paddle boat sales have to going up at the lake.

Gee,
I live on Rockhurst point and there are 3 Marinas near me that can launch your boat......
Castaways
Fischers
Mooring Post

I have launched my 36OL in all of these at one time or another.
Hope that helps. As far as transient docks, thats another story but most waterfront Hotels have docking accomadations.
Like I said at the beginning of this thread, lots of laws but still the best lake I have ever been to. Thats why I bought a house there.
And yes, property is still going for 1 million + for a tear down.

Zone 5 03-22-2010 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Club Drew (Post 3072114)
Right now ?then why are those condos still sitting there after dropping the price!You can keep Lake George:angry-smiley-038:the days of people paying 500k+ for a tic ridden hill billy hang out is long gone friend!:kiss:

He said lots not condos, and $500K on LG is cheap. Only condos that are sitting are Sagamore. Houses aren't. Not to mention that the houses selling are for way more than $500K. more like 2-3 million.

Tic riden? Yea, we have tics. Its the Adirondack Park. Ya know, woods wild animals and no traffic. no smog, and taxes on a 3 million dollar house equal what you pay for a $200K house.

All that exhaust from the traffic sitting on the LIE kills anything.

Zone 5 03-22-2010 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by baja27 (Post 3072467)
No drinking
Need mufflers
No ramps
Speed limit of 45 a little past plaining speed.
Sounds like a fun place to go NOT
What a shame

If you want to drink and boat, and run loud exhaust, than its best you stay off Lake George. For everyone.

If your 27 Baja is barely on plane at 45, something is wrong with it.

Pismo10 03-22-2010 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Jake (Post 3071508)
As I said before, Performance boats are NOT welcome or wanted thanks to the LGPC that caters to big $$$$ people.

THE LGPC is a basically a racketeering organization. They require you buy permits(for boats, docks, dock repairs/changes, etc) and then go around checking for permits all day. That is about all they do. They cater to nobody except there own very liberal/ big govt control mindset. You could be the richest resident with the biggest land and they will still hound you endlessly about your dock, your boat permits, whatever. They will do anything to maintain there own fleet of no-work jobs by making trying to make something out of nothing.

Zone 5 03-22-2010 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by cocktails (Post 3072412)
Very Strong words you bet. You are from Lake George correct! You are Performance Marine correct!. Ok you set the record straight. Where do people launch 35'-45' foot boats on the east side of the lake. With Parking for Trucks&Trailers. Oh don't forget to include the name and Location of the Marina/Resort with Transient slip availability. Power would be nice. Maybe Bathrooms and showers not alot to ask for for a Lake that has 1.5 Mil. so called lots with a view.

You are Performance Marine. You must have a Launch and Transient slips yes???

If you call Performance, Jason or John or Rick will be sure to know 100% of the answers to your questions.

Rattlesnake Jake 03-22-2010 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Pismo10 (Post 3072658)
THE LGPC is a basically a racketeering organization. They require you buy permits(for boats, docks, dock repairs/changes, etc) and then go around checking for permits all day. That is about all they do. They cater to nobody except there own very liberal/ big govt control mindset. You could be the richest resident with the biggest land and they will still hound you endlessly about your dock, your boat permits, whatever. They will do anything to maintain there own fleet of no-work jobs by making trying to make something out of nothing.

Well from what I heard last year, because of the number of complaints they received from lakeside home owners about the "Poker Run" the LGPC told DEC to pull the permits.
I would say that was catering to the $$$$ people.
Now this year beacuse of the outcry from the business who lost a good chunk of change late in the season with the cancelation, They're going to allow performance boats run over a 2 mile closed course the weekend of the "Queens Race"

WOW. They should button their shirts before their hearts fall out.

Club Drew 03-22-2010 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Jake (Post 3072678)
Well from what I heard last year, because of the number of complaints they received from lakeside home owners about the "Poker Run" the LGPC told DEC to pull the permits.
I would say that was catering to the $$$$ people.
Now this year beacuse of the outcry from the business who lost a good chunk of change late in the season with the cancelation, They're going to allow performance boats run over a 2 mile closed course the weekend of the "Queens Race"

WOW. They should button their shirts before their hearts fall out.

Flew there close to 40+ years ago premium Lake boating guys were the best :drink:Now you have clowns claiming equity building or clean peaceful lake the big bad sport boaters are hurting our Lake!OUR LAKE???Locals looking to badger out of town boaters is the dumbest thing ever!Almost as dum as giving a permit and taking it away!:bsflag:AKA SHAKEDOWN!Peace out love the Lake but well you know!:kiss:PS 2 mile race sounds great but don't hold your breath waiting for the start!

Club Drew 03-22-2010 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 3072646)
He said lots not condos, and $500K on LG is cheap. Only condos that are sitting are Sagamore. Houses aren't. Not to mention that the houses selling are for way more than $500K. more like 2-3 million.

Tic riden? Yea, we have tics. Its the Adirondack Park. Ya know, woods wild animals and no traffic. no smog, and taxes on a 3 million dollar house equal what you pay for a $200K house.

All that exhaust from the traffic sitting on the LIE kills anything.

A house in East Hampton on the water is a little more than 200k go a mile in either direction how much are homes going for??:evilb:Taxes on Lake George are 12k and up per year??

Zone 5 03-22-2010 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Club Drew (Post 3072717)
A house in East Hampton on the water is a little more than 200k go a mile in either direction how much are homes going for??:evilb:Taxes on Lake George are 12k and up per year??

Huntington isn't East Hampton. About 70 miles short if I remember right.

Houses a mile or so in each directions aren't water front. Who cares what they cost. A lot less than a house on LI that is identical.

Yea, taxes on LG can be $12K. Unless you live in a shack on a postage stamp lot on LI, your taxes are worse.

Fast Shafts 03-22-2010 04:59 PM

Having a performace boat on a Lake with a 45 MPH speed limit is like having a hot girlfriend who doesn't put out.:(

Club Drew 03-22-2010 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 3072723)
Huntington isn't East Hampton. About 70 miles short if I remember right.

Houses a mile or so in each directions aren't water front. Who cares what they cost. A lot less than a house on LI that is identical.

Yea, taxes on LG can be $12K. Unless you live in a shack on a postage stamp lot on LI, your taxes are worse.

My taxes in Huntington are 27k but lets not get into a pissing match you have your rules they don't make power boaters welcome Lake George is not Long Island end of story:kiss: I wil visit but by no means with a boat or trailer or bike or motor home or?never mind I'll pass:evilb:

Zone 5 03-22-2010 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Club Drew (Post 3072759)
My taxes in Huntington are 27k but lets not get into a pissing match you have your rules they don't make power boaters welcome Lake George is not Long Island end of story:kiss: I wil visit but by no means with a boat or trailer or bike or motor home or?never mind I'll pass:evilb:

$27K in taxes would pay the taxes on every house I've ever seen for sale on LG, except Blenheim.:eek:

We like it up here. Yea, LG has rules, but we have other lakes we can run on that don't, so we have it pretty well covered.:kiss:

and we know its not LI:cheer:

TeamSaris 03-22-2010 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by cocktails (Post 3072412)
Very Strong words you bet. You are from Lake George correct! You are Performance Marine correct!. Ok you set the record straight. Where do people launch 35'-45' foot boats on the east side of the lake. With Parking for Trucks&Trailers. Oh don't forget to include the name and Location of the Marina/Resort with Transient slip availability. Power would be nice. Maybe Bathrooms and showers not alot to ask for for a Lake that has 1.5 Mil. so called lots with a view.

You are Performance Marine. You must have a Launch and Transient slips yes???

There plenty of places, mentioned in later posts too. The poker runs that have been held up here had from 42 Cigarettes to 35 Nor Tech cats. None of them had problems launching. Im not going to argue this point. Yes we have our own launch ramp and dock slips.

cocktails 03-22-2010 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Fast Shafts (Post 3072752)
Having a performace boat on a Lake with a 45 MPH speed limit is like having a hot girlfriend who doesn't put out.:(

It's More like Having a Hot Girlfriend who doesn't put out and wears a Snuggie to the beach on a 90 degree day.

Pismo10 03-22-2010 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Jake (Post 3072678)
Well from what I heard last year, because of the number of complaints they received from lakeside home owners about the "Poker Run" the LGPC told DEC to pull the permits.
I would say that was catering to the $$$$ people.
Now this year beacuse of the outcry from the business who lost a good chunk of change late in the season with the cancelation, They're going to allow performance boats run over a 2 mile closed course the weekend of the "Queens Race"

WOW. They should button their shirts before their hearts fall out.

Nobody calls the LGPC because they would do absolutely nothing, either good or bad. They would not respond to people or businesses or whatever. They are a self-fulfilling bureaucracy that answers to nobody because they do not need to.

Pismo10 03-22-2010 07:04 PM

Taxes are ridiculous on LG. All to pay for the endless welfare.

Gladhe8er 03-22-2010 07:04 PM

Wow, how did I miss this thread the last 2 days! Most of what has been said is true. Of the last 3 times I have been on the lake, I have been kicked off with a ticket for noise 5 times. Once in my 22 Scarab,another with my 28 AT and once on my brothers 29 Fountain. My parents have an awesome vacation house 5 miles down the road in Lake Vanare/Lake Luzerne and I dont even use it in the summer due to the boating laws. I will not use my boat on the lake unless it is for a poker run that has the noise exemption. The guys giving out the tickets are...well, I'm not even going to go there...

cocktails 03-22-2010 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3072782)
There plenty of places, mentioned in later posts too. The poker runs that have been held up here had from 42 Cigarettes to 35 Nor Tech cats. None of them had problems launching. Im not going to argue this point. Yes we have our own launch ramp and dock slips.

I'm not sure of the Locations of the Place's mentioned,maybe they are on the west side up north. The guys at Performance maybe good guys. I guarantee you I called performance because I called everyone. Just for kicks I pulled my cell phone records. I made 38 different calls in one afternoon to ask about lauches and Slip availability. This was just one day. Every Marina for sure as well as resorts, B&B's I got the names off that may have had slips with the rental of a cottage. None would accomodate a 37' boat. I had one lady said she had a place to tie the boat up to. No Power,no water, no bathrooms etc. she wanted $225.00 per night that was just for the boat. I didn't get a room with that.

The bottom line for me is I spent 6 Hrs. Trailering pull into LG at 1am and from the moment I get there I got hassled by the Police for parking at the Boat launch then In a Vacant lot. Then the Speed limit, the permits, the people it wasn't worth it.
Oh I forgot to mention I left a day early I paid for 3 days truck and Trailer parking $22/per day. I asked for my refund for the last day I didn't stay. There Policy no refunds on Parking due to Mechanical breakdown or Bad weather. When I left the Boat was running perfect and it was sunny and 82 degrees. Did I get my refund NO just another hassle on the way out. I sent a copy of the refund Policy to the Chamber and Mayor. It shows how LG treats the tourists. I'm not the only one. End of story.

Thebros 03-22-2010 08:01 PM

Ok the lgpc sounds like the German S S that thay teach you about in highschool histroy class . We sure are glad we dont have people like that on lake champlaine

Carguy08 03-22-2010 08:23 PM

Unlike some.... we "HILL BILLYS" have enough money to buy a trailer, gas the truck, and go to a poker run when we want.

To be 100% honest I dont want a boat ripping down the shore at wot while Im playing with my kids on the water tramp. Too many times people who dont know the lake or disrespect the lake have ruined it for others. Yes, we get alot of morons that ruin it for the whole performance community. Lets not forget this is a small lake.

You know now that I think of it I'm proud to be a "hill billy." If Lake George folks are the definition of "hill billy's" that would define a "hill billy" as a family man that lives within his means, pays cash for almost everything, works hard and plays even harder... Thats the majority of "HILL BILLY" boaters I know on Lake George.

Carguy08 03-22-2010 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by newfountainguy (Post 3070239)
So This Year Will Be My First Year On Lake George. I've Been Up For The Fun Run Two Years Ago And A Couple Of Weekend Here And There. How Is It? What Should A Know Before I Go? Looking Foreward To A Great Summer.

BTW.. I look forwards to hooking up with you this summer. Congrats on the new boat.

newfountainguy 03-22-2010 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by Carguy08 (Post 3072940)
BTW.. I look forwards to hooking up with you this summer. Congrats on the new boat.

Ya...should be a fun summer. This will be the second summer with the boat, but first on LG. I was on sacandaga last year. I'll be keeping it at ficsher (dry dock).

Carguy08 03-22-2010 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by newfountainguy (Post 3072970)
Ya...should be a fun summer. This will be the second summer with the boat, but first on LG. I was on sacandaga last year. I'll be keeping it at ficsher (dry dock).


Good choice... Nickie will take good care of you.

TeamSaris 03-22-2010 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by newfountainguy (Post 3072970)
Ya...should be a fun summer. This will be the second summer with the boat, but first on LG. I was on sacandaga last year. I'll be keeping it at ficsher (dry dock).

Good call, see ya on the water :drink:

TeamSaris 03-22-2010 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Carguy08 (Post 3072938)
Unlike some.... we "HILL BILLYS" have enough money to buy a trailer, gas the truck, and go to a poker run when we want.

To be 100% honest I dont want a boat ripping down the shore at wot while Im playing with my kids on the water tramp. Too many times people who dont know the lake or disrespect the lake have ruined it for others. Yes, we get alot of morons that ruin it for the whole performance community. Lets not forget this is a small lake.

You know now that I think of it I'm proud to be a "hill billy." If Lake George folks are the definition of "hill billy's" that would define a "hill billy" as a family man that lives within his means, pays cash for almost everything, works hard and plays even harder... Thats the majority of "HILL BILLY" boaters I know on Lake George.

Agreed. Respect is a two way street.

Scott B 03-23-2010 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by Club Drew (Post 3072759)
My taxes in Huntington are 27k but lets not get into a pissing match you have your rules they don't make power boaters welcome Lake George is not Long Island end of story:kiss: I wil visit but by no means with a boat or trailer or bike or motor home or?never mind I'll pass:evilb:

Actually, the LG RV park is one of the nicest facilities I have been to.. I will stay there again this year when I head up. Just not sure I will bring a boat..

Some valid points here on both sides. The lake is spectacular, the scenery second to none, the docking facilities poor, the noise / police hassles not worth it. The point about speedboats ripping past the water trampoline is weak, a bayliner at 25 can be driven just as stupidly, don't be one of those folks that says only the speedboaters don't know the rules.

LG depends on tourism. No one is asking them to kiss their rosy red, but they should realize that not all boats from less restrictive places will pass their stringent, unevenly applied laws, and note that the pass is a temp one and allow a REASONABLE margin of error for a short period of time so visitors can enjoy the lake. Am I saying the guy with dry pipes and 2,985,475 hp engines and no mufflers should be allowed to run rampant? No way. But the guy who is marginally over the limit should be allowed to run his boat in a safe and responsible manner for a few days without a hassle.

FF, I pinged my buddy an email, we may take ya up on that IF he decides to bring his boat back again.. We were over by one Db according to the leo who couldn't figure out how to do the test properly..

newfountainguy 03-23-2010 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3072987)
Good call, see ya on the water :drink:

Just wondering, is there a spec sheet on how to conduct the decible test properly?

Also, i was over to your shop last june (09). i had a small ignition issue. The switch kept flipping. You guys really went out of your way to help me get it figured out. You fixed the proplem and saved my weekend.

looking forward to this summer.

baja27 03-23-2010 08:18 AM

Zone 5 I do not have a baja, So sorry if the rules up up there blow, I guess if you are into sail boats it's all good!

newfountainguy 03-23-2010 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by baja27 (Post 3073198)
Zone 5 I do not have a baja, So sorry if the rules up up there blow, I guess if you are into sail boats it's all good!

WHAT?

TeamSaris 03-23-2010 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Scott B (Post 3073118)
Actually, the LG RV park is one of the nicest facilities I have been to.. I will stay there again this year when I head up. Just not sure I will bring a boat..

Some valid points here on both sides. The lake is spectacular, the scenery second to none, the docking facilities poor, the noise / police hassles not worth it. The point about speedboats ripping past the water trampoline is weak, a bayliner at 25 can be driven just as stupidly, don't be one of those folks that says only the speedboaters don't know the rules.

LG depends on tourism. No one is asking them to kiss their rosy red, but they should realize that not all boats from less restrictive places will pass their stringent, unevenly applied laws, and note that the pass is a temp one and allow a REASONABLE margin of error for a short period of time so visitors can enjoy the lake. Am I saying the guy with dry pipes and 2,985,475 hp engines and no mufflers should be allowed to run rampant? No way. But the guy who is marginally over the limit should be allowed to run his boat in a safe and responsible manner for a few days without a hassle.

FF, I pinged my buddy an email, we may take ya up on that IF he decides to bring his boat back again.. We were over by one Db according to the leo who couldn't figure out how to do the test properly..

If you were over by that small of an amount Id bet you will pass fine.
Newfountainguy, glad we could help, We will test it for you just set up an appoitment.
Johnny

Zone 5 03-23-2010 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by baja27 (Post 3073198)
Zone 5 I do not have a baja, So sorry if the rules up up there blow,

Only assumtion I could make, as you didn't state differently, and your user name is pretty straightforward.

Zone 5 03-23-2010 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by newfountainguy (Post 3073158)
Just wondering, is there a spec sheet on how to conduct the decible test properly?

Yes, its an SAE standard test. There is a lot you have to do to get it right, including measuring background noise. Its no where near as simple as point the dB meter at the exhaust and saying thats what the boat is.

mattyboy 03-23-2010 04:54 PM

links about NY state regs, lake george regs and the standard for testing

note the regs in lk geo are more stringent than the state

http://www.nyss.com/NYS.html#p45AAAA


http://www.lgpc.state.ny.us/rules_re...2.html#646-2.8

the standard is sae j1970

http://www.pwia.org/studies/facts/soundscape.aspx

GLH 03-24-2010 01:10 AM


Originally Posted by mattyboy (Post 3073532)
links about NY state regs, lake george regs and the standard for testing

note the regs in lk geo are more stringent than the state

http://www.nyss.com/NYS.html#p45AAAA


http://www.lgpc.state.ny.us/rules_re...2.html#646-2.8

the standard is sae j1970

http://www.pwia.org/studies/facts/soundscape.aspx

The clearest thing is says is dunk in Lake Champlain if you want to go over 30 MPH.....

JoeD 03-24-2010 02:36 AM

Isnt there a sea monster in Lake Champlain?

newfountainguy 03-24-2010 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by GLH (Post 3073865)
The clearest thing is says is dunk in Lake Champlain if you want to go over 30 MPH.....

GHL...i've been up there a couple of times. I had alot of fun, But its a long ride. i'm sure i'll do a weekend there this summer.

ANY FUN RUNS COMING UP?

Club Drew 03-24-2010 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 3073451)
Yes, its an SAE standard test. There is a lot you have to do to get it right, including measuring background noise. Its no where near as simple as point the dB meter at the exhaust and saying thats what the boat is.

:bsflag:Test my azz do they test noise from hunters,motorcycles,dogs barking,heavy machines,snow mobiles,music,farting,LOL!They are playing games wanna be high liners that are into blow boats penny loafers&hating all other types:evilb:

Zone 5 03-24-2010 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Club Drew (Post 3073921)
Test my azz do they test noise from hunters,motorcycles,dogs barking,heavy machines,snow mobiles,music,farting,LOL!They are playing games wanna be high liners that are into blow boats penny loafers&hating all other types:evilb:

I just answered the guys question about what standards they use.

As far as noise, motorcycles and snowmobiles have standards. In fact snowmobiles are worse than boats. Touch your stock exhaust and get stopped and you get a ticket.

If you hate LG so much why are you even reading this thread?

GLH 03-24-2010 02:21 PM

"Welcome and thanks for spending in our area Mr. Harvie" :D




http://img-b.zenfolio.com/img/v5/p912909297-3.jpg

Rattlesnake Jake 03-24-2010 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 3074164)
I just answered the guys question about what standards they use.

As far as noise, motorcycles and snowmobiles have standards. In fact snowmobiles are worse than boats. Touch your stock exhaust and get stopped and you get a ticket.

If you hate LG so much why are you even reading this thread?

Because he STILL has the right too. I think..:flag:


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