Why does Baja get such a bad wrap from some folks?
 

I'm sure this has been dicussed somewhere and if someone can point me to a thread I would be interested in reading peoples viewpoints. I ran across a Powerquest vs. Baja thread and a lot of bashing going towards the Baja name? Personally I think you get the most for your money with Baja. Don't mean to start an argument or or anything along those lines was just curious.

well most people i talk to think that Bajas are built very cheap and that they are the the KIA of the boating industry. I personally am not a fan because you see them everywere.

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Baja's are a good bang for the buck....but they are cheaper than other brands for a reason. I like them fine but like the Ford mustang, there are just too many for my taste.....really the main reason I'll never consider one for myself.
BTW: Plenty of other boats that have similar build quality but with less of them they don't have the same "stigma".

And why do you see them everywhere ? Maybe
because they are one hell of a boat, and best
bang for the buck. Ive owned six of them, have
two at the presant time a 33 ol ,36 ol ,
Not to say that there arent better boats out there
but for the money it will be hard to find one.

I dont think there a bad boat but just like everyone else said they're everywhere. I just like to be different

Because there is this guy that owns a site that just ruins the name.......

HATER

:coolcowboy::lolhit: If thats what you want to call me....

i think that could be the biggest reason right there i love my Baja i always wanted one ( 20 + years ) and i finally got one never really ever considered any other brand

Its about the boat not about who runs a webb site.
BAJA best bang for the buck.

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Well, just a quick check in the old OSO classifieds and as usual there are a lot more beaks than Baja's for sale..

56 Baja's
116 beaks

Thats better than a 2 : 1 ratio

So as far as the seeing them everywhere claim of yours, yes I see Fountains everywhere...

Me too! I'm a hater!:coolcowboy:

what a winner
 

that cracks me up you see them every where!!! phuck my friend owned a dealership in the 80s and 90s he took baja over checkmate he owned a checkmate for years. I bought a baja 240 sport =24 outlaw with a 330hp for its 1st 4yrs then Ibought a 502 merc for it then two years later built a 585hp then a year later bumped it up to 596hp 3yrs later 650hp. after 12yrs of running in the ocean off of cape cod beating the chit out every formula I ran against it was a joke couple of cigs two 3 superboats 24 and 30s NEVER PAST ME IN THE CALM OR ROUGH and Ihave seen stress cracks in everyboat MADE just about most late 80s cig 31s and 35s so enough of the bull fountain clown theres more beekers on the market now AND THERE FAMOUS FOR IBCMS BREAKING STRINGERS . I now of a few guys how complained about stringers in fountains and formula boats who even had F2 BOATS in 99 to 03 and DONZI there crossbow chit boxes of the 80s were a joke I new a kid whos daddy bought him a 29 with 365hp mag 454s phuck every time it was a lil rough or he jumped a wake the boats frig and door would break so DUDE GET OFF YOUR FOUNTAIN HIGH HORSE there paper thin race boat got the speed title for RUNNING ON A PHUCKING LAKE HE OWNS at least OUTER LIMITS went out on a bay in the ocean and did 160 plus my new boat is a SABER and Iam keeping my 22yr old baja cause with the lil up grade here and there it will be fun busting dickheads that think there so mighty like yourself. mines been to maine to ny city by water over the years and the loved seeing guys punch there dash as we went by. I could go on but why, I know who I have busted over the years it was fun.oh yeah never had a beek boat go by me well one 42 in a pokerrun until it got to rough for him and he turned around. same going to blockisland one night two of us in the 24 and 25s made it fine the bigger 32 beek turned around and came in the morning.

that site owner is a gem:grinser010: I have owned a baja for 20yrs went there once I think the guy is a tool

Don't thumbs down me. It is a joke cause that is what he called anyone that went against him and his wishes. I was banned also.

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Toyota Builds The Best Cars
Baja Builds The Best Cigarette Racing Boats

Damn this thread can get ugly :angry-smiley-038:

Isnt Reggie building bajas now ? you wont buy a
chev,ford, or what ever car or truck because they
look the same.
Maybe Reggie bought them because it was the one
of the leading selling boat company and one of the
first performance boat companies out there.
If it were me I would bring baja back to Ohio
and let the pros keep building them.
Doug Smith and all the ohio employees !!!!
Ill take the first 40 footer they make !

Powerboatparty.com went down months ago.....:party-smiley-004:

Now that right there is Funny Wayne.

beer is coming out my nose here :evilb: he he

Artie...things have never changed with you! Still the big loud mouth who has the fasted boat around. I'm faster than the cigs, the fountains, the formulas...i'm the best. If you spent as much time up keeping your boat, truck,house,etc. as you do talking ****, you wouldn't have junk. This tread has nothing to do with spped, only about what people think of BAJA. And to be completly honnest its your type that give baja a bit of a bad name. I know guys that have riden with you when the hand rail is falling off or the bolster seat is bouncing around. NOT SAFE! And IF YOU ARE GOING TO TELL ME THAT YOUR 25 OL IS BETTER THAN A 32 FOUNTAIN IN BIG WATER, THEN YOU ARE SOOOOOOOO FULL OF ****!

AND FOR THE RECORD I NEVER SAID THAT BAJA BOATS ARE JUNK ONLY THAT I'M NOT A FAN! OTHER PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN ME THERE OPINION AND THATS WHAT I SAID IN POST #2.

NOW THATS FUNNY:lolhit:

I had a 272 and a 32....loved them both. They were affordable and did well for me.

Only been on a couple different ones. Both seemed well built, fast, and affordable.

Good boats IMO.

Now boys lets fight nice , all boats are good
some are better and more money then others.
But for the dollar and the quality Ill stay with baja.

Reggie has made some changes for the better on the Bajas. FYI Doug is over at Checkmate now. In fact he OWNS Checkmate.

He has to open up across the street again and
corner the market.

Reggie went back to the stringer system which is
the only way to make them after brunswick screwed
them up with the liner system for prior 3 years.

Reggie did not buy Baja. Brunswick GAVE him Baja. I do not think he is building any Bajas at this point in time.
Baja is a good bang for the buck, but the quality of rigging does not compare to most other boats. I owned a 24 OL and it was a decent boat, but the quality of materials and rigging does not compare to the Pantera or AT that I have owned.

Im sure you know why brunswick made that move,
two reasons in my mind, one is to try and get
the money that reggie owed and the other is to
get out of the liabity for the liner boats.

No boat is perfect, I just replaced my entire transom because some of the screws were not sealed correctly. I put it back together better than the factory built it. The boats for the most part were built well. I have never had to tighten up any of the screws like some guys have to do on the cheap boats. The gel, interior, ride, layouts are all very good. The x dim on most of the boats were set way too deep. Baja sold a lot of boats but they tried to make them distinctive with different graphics. I have never seen one identical to mine.

I run with all kind of boats in our offshore club in
florida and I see the most high dollar boats have
the same problems you are talking about so you just
cant single out your boat with that problem.
Look at it in away you didnt spend 300 to 800,000
to have the same problems.
All boats are great until someone has a problem,
just fix it and have more fun boating.

I agree all boats especially offshores have their problems, get it fixed, and meet ya out at the party cove:drink:

Around my area Baja's are a popular and big name boat to own. Its funny the attention my baby Baja gets. It draws the same attention from girls as my neighbors 38 cig spyder. I chose mine cause a friend of the family has had three of them (one he bought new with an outboard) and swears by them. We're looking to buy another boat for poker runs and will be a 28-33 eliminater daytona cause i want a tunnel hull. I will be keeping our lil 20 outlaw for a long time cause its perfect for the small lakes around here.

I have a 270 that started out with 425 horse, stepped up to 550, 600 and now im pushing 900+ and it has not sunk yet and it turns heads daily.... There are nicer boats, faster boats, more expensive, and cheaper boats out there but its all what you want(and what your budget will allow) and not everyone else. To me it's more like do you drive a ford or a Chevy....do you like sailboats or cruiser's......I like my boat and I think it's built just fine. When I sale my boat in the near future I'm stepping up to a larger cat(for speed reason and still my choice) I will still think Baja is a good built boat...... Just my 2 cents.

I have defended Baja's on this and other sites for years, most of the time without help. I have worked on boats for over 30 years and what I have found is that if you do not properly care for any brand of boat they are going to turn to $hit fast. Not to piss anybody off in the Baja family but from what I have seen with the Baja's is that in about 1990-92 their build quality/performance took a big step forward. It may be that the Baja's that I worked on prior to that were not properly cared for but they did have a lot more transom and stringer issues than I see now.

Um not quite...

They had their issues with liners, but it was mostly the larger (read 41') boats. The liner system worked very well on the small to medium boats.

Brunswick saved Baja in the mid 90s when they purchased them, right before that Genmar had purchased Bajas debt note and really had no plans for the brand. Brunswick also improved quality, to a certain extent.

I agree that Baja offers great bang for the buck. I also have enjoyed the many conversations I have had with XT and others on this site about Baja and the boats they made in Bucyrus. Lets not go overboard with claims that Bajas are amazing though, they are a budget driven performance brand...


Back to the original question, in my opinion they get a bad rap because of the typical owners. They want to think they have the greatest go fast boat, and dont mind telling everyone. I actually witnessed a Baja owner comparing his boat to a Pantera, saying his boat was faster and better built. So to me, its not the boat that causes the negative attitude, its the owners. The same can be said for Checkmate though. I remember when Checkmate first showed their new boat made with the old Baja H2X mold. Checkmate owners were pounding their chests saying they didnt want any Baja crap, that Checks were so much better than Bajas. To me, they are both value driven performance boats, which makes the arguing between the brands that much more amusing.

Keep in mind I am not trying to make a blanket statement about ALL Baja owners, just ones I have ran into on the docks and chatted with at boat shows. As you know, with boating comes some big "personalities," regardless the brand... :)