Weismann Marine has built a 650hp small block and is testing a new twin-prop surface drive. Pat has avoided the Blackhawk issues and this drive makes the boat run straight. It can also be run as a single prop setup for twins;

http://www.weismann.net/Press%20Page...annDuoProp.htm

For the cabin a portable head for the ladies is a MUST.

Thanks for the feedback guys. So far the boat will be a single engine, 5 man sit down boat. The windshield and styling will be in line with the new 40 SV open that was recently introduced. We are designing a small but functional cabin with porta potti ( can't make the women mad )

I will keep you updated

As for cabin, CLEAN, SIMPLE, Storage for a porta potti, KEEPP IT Simple and usable. If someone wants all the amenities they will buy a bigger boat. I am giving you direct feed back on why I have purchased two 27 Fevers one 29 Fever, and 26 Outlaw, a 30 Outlaw and back to a 27 Fever (all new custom ordered boats except the last 27 fever). Single engine buyer market many of us can buy a bigger boat but we don't want all the crap to go with, bigger truck, bigger lift. Single engine that will pass most twin engine boats and put it up for the day.:evilb:

Love it !

One of my biggest gripes on my 29 is the lack of fender storage. On a single 28 it would be easy to put them under the hatch, but that's kinda a pain in the a$$ place for them in my book, but I'm not much of a writer if you know what I mean.

Well I just picked up a 30 with a single and love it.I have
a Konrade ace drive with a 800hp engine built by MGD Performance. Great package. Great on fuel, and boat can run.
I think thats a great market you going into.

How much freeboard and cabin headroom will the boat have?

Ilmor/Indy combo!

IMO if it doesn't have twins, its not an offshore boat.

Twin big blocks don't weigh that much more than twin small blocks. If it can't handle the extra weight of twins, then its an inferior hull design. Phuckin A, even the 29 baja's had the option for twins. Fountain has option for 29 with twins, and now a 33. Cigs mystique has twins. These big single engine boats are harder on motors, kill outdrives, and are a dog out of the hole.

Oh Tex...

The boat will handle any power that could be put in it. The fact that it doesn't need that power and it defeats the purpose of having a fast and affordable boat is what we are looking for. It has nothing to do with hull design.

Thefact that Baja, Fountain & Cig offer twins in their 28-30 foot offerings is great, they are optional. But the reason behind it is they need that power to achieve the speeds that can be reached with a single engine boat when combined with an efficient hull design.

If you want one with twin big blocks, come on down and bring a check. Anything can be built. The purpose of this thread and poll is to determine what a good starting point would be for a BASE boat.

But your opinion is a valid one, and your feedback is appreciated. However, that will be kept in mind for Optional Power.

So... lets see the boat, and the options list of what you get for the money.

Time to show more than an artists rendering - weve been looking at that pict a while now. It obviously missed the Miami show.

There are lots of really strong players in this space.

Uncle Dave

UD,

We are developing the options list and standard equipment now. I will update once all in completed.

I understand what ya'll are trying to do..as a base model..I prefer twins myself..Here's another possible alternative.. Twin Merc 350 4 strokes..what ya think.. Jeff

Cool boat, but I don't see it running 90+ with a 525 bravo. If it does its a runner. I would guess closer to 85 maybe 88 on a perfect day/setup.

If you want to sell many of them, Need to keep selling price down,make the profit in quantity. 525 with bravo package, Make it very user friendly easy to get out and in of.Swim platform, storage and portable toilet. Make it a family speedster!

I want to see real pics

I had a single engine Donzi Z-25 that used to smoke my buddy's twin engine Baja 28 in almost every category. It was a better boat in all regards other than top speed, and handled the rough stuff better. It definetely was an offshore boat.

I want what your smoking..... must be some really good ****!:lolhit:
So I guess you would say the 27/30 activator isnt an offshore boat? But a 32 fountain with twins is?
The 29 kryptonite is also not an offshore powerboat too than? But a twin 292 forumla is?
A 270 Laveycraft also not an offshore powerboat I assume too, right?:lolhit:

I'm wondering what your target market is for this boat. I would think that with a price of $150K you're going to be limited to what motor package you can offer. A 496HO (or the new 502) or maybe a 525EFI?

Are you going after Superboat Y2K and Pantera 28 buyers?

Are you thinking entry level offshore guys?

Or more lake type boaters?

As the owner of a Baja 29 Outlaw with twins that is the set up I would want. I am mostly an ocean boater so I want twins. To me the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

I would think the single engine 28-30 foot market is for guys who want a stripped down, light weight boat to haul azz in big water. Not much cabin, no head, etc.

The lake boat market out West here is loaded with single engine 28-30 footers. They are typically lower freeboard, flatter hulls with high quality levels of rigging and gel coat. It's a crowded tough market.

Outerlimits has a reputation of building high end larger boats just as Cigarette does. Cig couldn't sell their 30 Vice so they discontinued it. Also, the Adrenaline comes to mind. That is (was?) a high end beautiful boat but didn't sell well.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure your 28 will be an outstanding boat, regardless of power option but in today's market I'm not sure who will buy it.

Anyway, my choice would be twin small blocks. I know it can go just as fast (maybe faster) with a single bit lot's of people like twins for reasons other than speed/power.

With the 525 and XR...we had 6+ differant boat manufactures that were within 2 mph of each other...
We have seen 84 mph in the 27 Activator and the Fountain, Volocity, Krypt., Warlock and Superboat all weighting in at 5000 lbs. with a 2'' X dimention. I think 90mph in a 28 Hull will be a little tough with the 525 and XR and maybe a little help from the ITS if put on...but any of the boats named above with the 650 Ilmor/Indy package would be over the 90+mph range...and you can forget about blowing drives..
I've owned a Baja 24 O/L, 29 O/L with twins and a 33 O/L with HP500's and the 33 did 89 in race set up...so to have a nice 28' boat that dose 90+ with a single is a great set up...
Look how many guys have a 30' boat or smaller and are putting on blowers and spending 5k to 10k trying to get to the 90+ mph mark...and blowing drives along the way...
i think its a good market to go after...but like alot have said here...price point will make the differance

Yep, because when a single engine breaks down in the middle of the ocean your left with nothing but a song and a prayer.

A pair of merc 377 scorpion motors with bravos i bet it would run real nice seen a few 29 formulas set up like that.

95 mph can be done in a 28 footer with a single 525. It looks like this:

http://www.tuffmarine.com/Boat_Pages...28_inboard.htm

If you hit 95 with higher freeboard and cabin (weight) you have a very efficient hull. This might be the place for the efficiency of a surfacing drive, you have the bustle to cover it.

I stand corrected...I quess I was looking at offshore boats with higher freeboard..it dose look like it is running a ITS..but still 95mph with a 525 is fast.....how dose the 28 Tuff run in the ruff waters

Thanks animal looking forward to it!

UD

show me one guy on this site has been stuck in the middle of the ocean. Usually they are a few miles offshore at most, unless making a crossing to the bahamas.

And if you haven't noticed, your boat isn't an offshore ride, since you are in a little lake. Little, as opposed to great.

Also, the reason the mystique and some of the other boats you mentioned only came w/ twins, is because they are big boats. This OL28 is smaller and much lighter, not needing twins. Your 28 NEEDS twins.

Extreme 29: 83mph w/ a 496mag.
Knowing this... 90 is doable.

Oh wait... Extreme and Phantom are not offshore since they are singles... they only meet SVL standards. :rolleyes:

I get the 2 engine thing, Ive blown a drive and needed sea tow and a radio, and Ive had a full electronic failure on a twin and been just as stuck.

At the same time in my experience and opinion an offshore boat with out a radar and linked nav package is really offshore either-

I see twin engine "everythings" against the sea wall waiting for fog to lift all the time. Twins dont help you if you cant see where you are going and avoid commercial traffic

As for hauling the mail in a 28 footer we play pretty hard.

The fastest 28 in our group is this one, 105+ with an Ilmor 710 and quite deep water capable basic design having won the 2002 key west offshore series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apWZkv_f4bc

- not super practical, but a whole lot of fun.

Very excited to see Ol's offering as these are the sized boats we run most in my group.

UD

Every boat Outerlimits builds is a true offshore boat. Just to clarify for people.:D:D

I think single engine is the best way to go to compete in the market you're going for. Maybe advertise it with a 496 as an 80+ mph Outerlimits which will drop the price and open up your market... Like you said, just bring your wallet and we can make it as fast as you want.

Dub2

Call Bob at our place and make a deal for a dozen gen3 570s (or 625s) and then option the Indy or the ASD's per customer request. Im quite partial to aluminum V10's.........:)

If this is going to be a 90+MPH 'Offshore' boat then go with the Ilmor. I don't see a five seater, semi cabin 28 running in the 90's with a 525 unless it's really light. Then it'll suffer in the 'Offshore' rough.

All I have to say is everyone usually doubts OL with their speeds and they usually prove everyone wrong with a very fast great riding and great handling boat!! The new 28 will be no different.

I think this is a great target market. As for all the "it needs twins to be offshore" get real!!!! You need to pull up the Pantera racing videos on youtube. As I stated before many of us DON'T want twins. Especially when a single motor can be faster than the same boat with twins or similar, why spend all the extra cash on Maint, Fuel, and Insurance when a single get the job done. To be honest probably 75% of the members on this site don't even boat in the ocean.

I would like to add one more comment on all the "twin" fans pull a used boat value on a twin engine vs single engine Fountain, Pantera, or Scarab. Yea the single is worth more, don't take my word look it up yourself.

Many of us DO want twins. We are all entitled to our own opinions, so quite crying about it.

How much do you think a 30ft mystique is worth with a single engine. How much do you think a 32 fountain is worth with a single engine? Tell me, since you pretend to be such a genious. Why did the most well respected offshore race builder only offer twins on their 30ft boat? Perhaps they know a lot more than you............

+1

You're statement on twins is absurd. Your just plain wrong actually. Lets go through some "well respected offshore race boats". Kryptonite, 29 feet ( all singles). Race by fast 2 fun and his father, both well respected (stylin' national champs?), Typhoon marine (won a bunch), Joey Impressica (can you get more well respected? He raced the 29 kryptonite superheat). 26 Corsa, SINGLE.... 27 magnum's are now SINGLES..... 30 Y2k Outragous, SINGLE.... 27 and 30 activators (MRD I believe builds them) SINGLES, Progression 27 and 29 SINGLES. Pantera just made there 28 with a SINGLE ( http://www.panteraboats.com/newboats...8_sr_pg12.html ), heres a link for ya (just in case), Laveycraft 270 SINGLE (also very well respected), Warlock 29, SINGLE ( http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o33185-en.html ) , Brand new VELOCITY 30 SINGLE ( http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o24755-en.html ) .

So tell me again how all the respected offshore boats are twins. I'm not attempting to dumb you down, so please do not take it that way. But, sir, you are wrong when you say everyone is using twins. Singles is where it is at, especially when it comes to true OFFSHORE boats. The proof is in the pudding :party-smiley-004:

Oh, can't forget Hustler........28, Rockit SINGLE
http://www.hustlerspeedboats.com/spe...29-rockit.html
And the joker 28.... http://www.jokerperformanceboats.com/28Joker.html