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I really find it hard to believe how people love to jump on the band wagon on these sites. If you drive anything let me say again, "anything" improperly you have a very good chance to get hurt or hurt others. Jumping on one of the elite boat manufacturers is really sad, and shows a real case of envy or worse resentment towards others. The fact is that an OL is an expensive piece of machinery, because a person has the means to buy it should not require that he be an expert prior to buying. That being said, that buyer does have a resposibility to learn how to drive that boat safely. This will protect him (or her)and his passengers and everyone else enjoying the water. Thanks for reading and I sincerly hope some of you can take this to heart, get some inner perspective, and concentrate on improving ones own life so that you can achieve the kind of success that will enable you to buy a fine high performace machine such as an OL or whatever your personal taste may be. In closing,work on what you have and quit worrying about "the jones's" and why they shouldn't have what they have.
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Originally Posted by Chuck
(Post 3133647)
I really find it hard to believe how people love to jump on the band wagon on these sites. If you drive anything let me say again, "anything" improperly you have a very good chance to get hurt or hurt others. Jumping on one of the elite boat manufacturers is really sad, and shows a real case of envy or worse resentment towards others. The fact is that an OL is an expensive piece of machinery, because a person has the means to buy it should not require that he be an expert prior to buying. That being said, that buyer does have a resposibility to learn how to drive that boat safely. This will protect him (or her)and his passengers and everyone else enjoying the water. Thanks for reading and I sincerly hope some of you can take this to heart, get some inner perspective, and concentrate on improving ones own life so that you can achieve the kind of success that will enable you to buy a fine high performace machine such as an OL or whatever your personal taste may be. In closing,work on what you have and quit worrying about "the jones's" and why they shouldn't have what they have.
The car and in this case (boats) are fine when properly driven, in the hands of a novice they will defintely bite! |
In life, accidents happen. In boating, even more so. It cracks me up that everytime someone has a mishap people are quick to jump all over the manufacturer or the operator.
Performance boating is dangerous- even if you take all the neccessary precautions you can still have an accident because there are always so many variables and unknowns. The faster you run, the more risk involved. Even the best and most experienced can make a mistake and turn it into a bad day. That is why this is a sport for adrenaline junkies. To even suggest that the Outerlimits hull design is at fault is ridiculous. Anyone who has any type of performance boat experience will tell you that Outerlimits builds some of the best performing, best handling boats on the planet. |
Originally Posted by Interceptor
(Post 3133509)
Every now and then someone that isn't qualified buys a Porsche, a Ducati, a Outerlimits. It is not the manufacturers responsibility to weed these buyers out.
The same person probably would hurt themselves or someone else operating a dildo. The boat in question apparently was not operating in a safe manner due solely to driver error, this was not an emergency situation. I bring up emergency situation, because if a boat (any brand) may spin out/roll due to aggressive turn then the manufacture has a duty to warn of such a trait/handling characteristic and should implement a safer design if feasible. You see warning labels on all consumer products in the market place just for these reasons, assume all buyers do not know it all. I think the 42' OL is a safe boat if handled in a correct manner, and this roll-over incident the driver was in error. But an educated/informed driver may not have made this mistake. Once a product is put the stream of commerce you have to assume future buyers need to be aware of these limitations. And due to this accident it is apparent that boat owners still do not fully understand how to drive stepped V's or their handling characteristics. Buyers of performance boats assume the risk when operation these type of boats, to an extent (as in all legal scenarios the answer is ... it depends on all the facts). Summary - inform customers, build a safe boat, use in a responsible manner = reduced injury, hopefully no lawsuits. If you have a product that is prone to spinning out or rolling over then redesign, or recall should occur; in this example that threshold has not been met. I think that the 42' OL is safe boat, and OL will continue to improve upon their product to make it even safer, and more predictable handling in a variety of sea conditions (this is an assumption). Have a safe summer. |
Originally Posted by richanton
(Post 3133692)
In life, accidents happen. In boating, even more so. It cracks me up that everytime someone has a mishap people are quick to jump all over the manufacturer or the operator.
Performance boating is dangerous- even if you take all the neccessary precautions you can still have an accident because there are always so many variables and unknowns. The faster you run, the more risk involved. Even the best and most experienced can make a mistake and turn it into a bad day. That is why this is a sport for adrenaline junkies. To even suggest that the Outerlimits hull design is at fault is ridiculous. Anyone who has any type of performance boat experience will tell you that Outerlimits builds some of the best performing, best handling boats on the planet. |
Originally Posted by Chuck
(Post 3133647)
I really find it hard to believe how people love to jump on the band wagon on these sites. If you drive anything let me say again, "anything" improperly you have a very good chance to get hurt or hurt others. Jumping on one of the elite boat manufacturers is really sad, and shows a real case of envy or worse resentment towards others. The fact is that an OL is an expensive piece of machinery, because a person has the means to buy it should not require that he be an expert prior to buying. That being said, that buyer does have a resposibility to learn how to drive that boat safely. This will protect him (or her)and his passengers and everyone else enjoying the water. Thanks for reading and I sincerly hope some of you can take this to heart, get some inner perspective, and concentrate on improving ones own life so that you can achieve the kind of success that will enable you to buy a fine high performace machine such as an OL or whatever your personal taste may be. In closing,work on what you have and quit worrying about "the jones's" and why they shouldn't have what they have.
Ok, do me a favor... Show me where anyone "jumped on" one of the elite boat manufacturers... Then do me a favor and show me where someone acted in a "bandwagon" sort of manner... Then show me where someone acted out of "envy" or "resentment toward others." Then we can continue this discussion... |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 3133691)
+1.....in the 80's 911 Turbos (aka 930s) had a terrible reputation for "trailing throttle oversteer" which meant if you back off the throttle in a corner the weight of the engine over the rear axle would "shift" and spin the car out, azz backwards into whatever was on the side of the road. They were excellent cars if you were Hurley Haywood (pro driver from the era) but for the Dr./Dentist that just bought it and was out hot rodding it they would be called crash test dummies!
The car and in this case (boats) are fine when properly driven, in the hands of a novice they will defintely bite! I was under the impression it was the turbo lag that was spinning the 930s (Turbo 911's) in the turns and killing the drivers. |
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3133835)
Ok, do me a favor... Show me where anyone "jumped on" one of the elite boat manufacturers... Then do me a favor and show me where someone acted in a "bandwagon" sort of manner... Then show me where someone acted out of "envy" or "resentment toward others." Then we can continue this discussion...
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 3133691)
+1.....in the 80's 911 Turbos (aka 930s) had a terrible reputation for "trailing throttle oversteer" which meant if you back off the throttle in a corner the weight of the engine over the rear axle would "shift" and spin the car out, azz backwards into whatever was on the side of the road. They were excellent cars if you were Hurley Haywood (pro driver from the era) but for the Dr./Dentist that just bought it and was out hot rodding it they would be called crash test dummies!
The car and in this case (boats) are fine when properly driven, in the hands of a novice they will defintely bite! The "Step-bottom" boats of the day....:drink::drink: |
Originally Posted by thisistank
(Post 3133837)
Off topic:
I was under the impression it was the turbo lag that was spinning the 930s (Turbo 911's) in the turns and killing the drivers. Here it is at the 2:50 mark, notice the brake lights are on as the spin begins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_mKqWG77RU |
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