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Driver 46..why Did You Delete Your Thread
lETS SEE.. 1 post...someone get to you.. dont be scared..post up if its true..
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Was this the post about how he was in a OL when it rolled?
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Dammit... I was posting on that thread when it got deleted..
My Post: It depends who the boat is marketed to (which is why I think they started offering the training course with the boat). The boat is being marketed to Joe Offshorewannabe, and if Joe Offshorewannabe 1, 2, 3, and 4 roll them, then there is a design flaw in the hull/rigging (for intensive purposes). |
Originally Posted by waterboy222
(Post 3131442)
Was this the post about how he was in a OL when it rolled?
I was posting as well before it got deleted. |
Probably because he just wanted an answer and didn't want to go off topic
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Freedom of speech, freedom of the press
What happend? |
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3131454)
Dammit... I was posting on that thread when it got deleted..
My Post: It depends who the boat is marketed to (which is why I think they started offering the training course with the boat). The boat is being marketed to Joe Offshorewannabe, and if Joe Offshorewannabe 1, 2, 3, and 4 roll them, then there is a design flaw in the hull/rigging (for intensive purposes). |
Can a mod bring it back so we can see it. now I am curious
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I talked to the owner of the boat and the thread was deleted by the gentleman who started it because he was only looking for information. And his question was answered.
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He should have left brand names&driving school out of it fact is a spin out and a roll are two different stories!
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Originally Posted by animalhouse
(Post 3131805)
I talked to the owner of the boat and the thread was deleted by the gentleman who started it because he was only looking for information. And his question was answered.
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Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3131454)
Dammit... I was posting on that thread when it got deleted..
My Post: It depends who the boat is marketed to (which is why I think they started offering the training course with the boat). The boat is being marketed to Joe Offshorewannabe, and if Joe Offshorewannabe 1, 2, 3, and 4 roll them, then there is a design flaw in the hull/rigging (for intensive purposes). |
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3131454)
Dammit... I was posting on that thread when it got deleted..
My Post: It depends who the boat is marketed to (which is why I think they started offering the training course with the boat). The boat is being marketed to Joe Offshorewannabe, and if Joe Offshorewannabe 1, 2, 3, and 4 roll them, then there is a design flaw in the hull/rigging (for intensive purposes). |
Originally Posted by mastercraft240
(Post 3132296)
Dude, you're shooting for the stars. Your post makes no sense.... trying to make something out of nothing.
The thread that was deleted was about a 42' boat that rolled when cornering left with the left trim tabbed in the down position; the passengers were ejected (the boat was operating in a cruise speed from what I remember 60+/- mph). Hopefully that clarifies what some missed points. |
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3131454)
Dammit... I was posting on that thread when it got deleted..
My Post: It depends who the boat is marketed to (which is why I think they started offering the training course with the boat). The boat is being marketed to Joe Offshorewannabe, and if Joe Offshorewannabe 1, 2, 3, and 4 roll them, then there is a design flaw in the hull/rigging (for intensive purposes). Where do people dream up these wild conspiracy scenarios? http://smiliesftw.com/x/wtf.gif That's not even CLOSE to the reality of how OL markets their boats, and especially why they would offer a safety course to their owners. http://smiliesftw.com/x/r3es9w4yrz7vplaj5wk2.gif Is the fact that offering a professional course is just a good idea, just too boring of a concept to accept? http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsugh2.gif |
I told myself I was not going to get involved in a keyboard battle, but some of the nonsense here makes me chuckle. There have been 2 incidents involving 42 Ol's, out of 70 + that have been built, all of which are capable of running over 100 mph.
Both were results of driver error. The fact that we offered and encouraged the course was based on the fact that everybody has something to learn, It is easy for the majority of people on this board (who have never even been on a 42 OL) to comment and speculate on topics that they have no idea on what they are talking about. The dumbest people on the planet are those who think they know everything. |
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! My guess this turned into a OL bashing thread? WTF! The guy said it was the drivers error why the questions about the boat it self?
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Originally Posted by BLee
(Post 3132316)
Where do people dream up these wild conspiracy scenarios? http://smiliesftw.com/x/wtf.gif
That's not even CLOSE to the reality of how OL markets their boats, and especially why they would offer a safety course to their owners. http://smiliesftw.com/x/r3es9w4yrz7vplaj5wk2.gif Is the fact that offering a professional course is just a good idea, just too boring of a concept to accept? http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsugh2.gif Wait a minute... So now you're saying that OL doesn't market their boats to amateur boat drivers? :bsflag: They market their boats to anyone that can afford them, and I would contend that MOST of their customers are amateur boat drivers. I believe that they offered the course more on the advice from their legal department more so than they thought it would be a "good idea." Under the implied warranty of merchantability that exists on EVERYTHING purchased new from a dealer that sells goods of the kind an item HAS to be fit for its particular use. A 42' OL, with a full dressed cabin, enclosed head, a/c, frige, shorepower, etc. at least pretends to be a pleasure boat and needs to fit that purpose. This isn't some silly conspiracy theory that I drummed up because I was bored... It's law... :coolcowboy: |
Sad that the Forums are getting to be such a "bashfest" as of late. It seems the only threads that are of any length are at the expense of others. Warranted or not.
Interesting how negative and defamatory threads seem to go on and on. I for one am pleased the thread was closed. It was turning into another "flame" thread. While I do not own an OL, one only has to do minimal investigating to come to the conclusion OL and the Fiore Family produce a first class product. I'm off my little soapbox now. Flame on. :drink: Sam |
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3132410)
Wait a minute... So now you're saying that OL doesn't market their boats to amateur boat drivers?
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
They market their boats to anyone that can afford them, and I would contend that MOST of their customers are amateur boat drivers.
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
I believe that they offered the course more on the advice from their legal department more so than they thought it would be a "good idea."
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
Under the implied warranty of merchantability that exists on EVERYTHING purchased new from a dealer that sells goods of the kind an item HAS to be fit for its particular use. A 42' OL, with a full dressed cabin, enclosed head, a/c, frige, shorepower, etc. at least pretends to be a pleasure boat and needs to fit that purposre.
And I'll say it again, this isn't an "OL thing", you drive ANY boat improperly, you're going to get into trouble. |
Originally Posted by animalhouse
(Post 3132387)
I told myself I was not going to get involved in a keyboard battle, but some of the nonsense here makes me chuckle. There have been 2 incidents involving 42 Ol's, out of 70 + that have been built, all of which are capable of running over 100 mph.
Both were results of driver error. The fact that we offered and encouraged the course was based on the fact that everybody has something to learn, It is easy for the majority of people on this board (who have never even been on a 42 OL) to comment and speculate on topics that they have no idea on what they are talking about. The dumbest people on the planet are those who think they know everything. I certainly do not know it all, but I am just trying to understand. I would have no problem owning or operating the OL product. If I could afford a new OL, I think they are one of the of the best V's built in the world. |
Originally Posted by animalhouse
(Post 3132387)
I told myself I was not going to get involved in a keyboard battle, but some of the nonsense here makes me chuckle. There have been 2 incidents involving 42 Ol's, out of 70 + that have been built, all of which are capable of running over 100 mph.
Both were results of driver error. The fact that we offered and encouraged the course was based on the fact that everybody has something to learn, It is easy for the majority of people on this board (who have never even been on a 42 OL) to comment and speculate on topics that they have no idea on what they are talking about. The dumbest people on the planet are those who think they know everything. I cetainly do not know it all, but I am just trying to understand. I would have no problem owning or operating the OL product. If I could afford a new OL, I think they are one of the of the best V's built in the world. |
Originally Posted by thisistank
(Post 3132424)
I think to say that OL "markets to amateurs" is a long stretch and actually far from the truth. I'm sure if you did the research you'd find that most OL owners have owed at the very minimum of one other boat before buying an OL.
Originally Posted by thisistank
(Post 3132424)
Agree they market to anyone that can afford them. However, disagree that most are amateurs. Again, I would say the majority of their owners have a lot of previous experience running boats which, in my opinion, takes them out of the amateur boat ranking.
Originally Posted by thisistank
(Post 3132424)
I don't understand this part? The 42 with full cabin IS a pleasure boat. They also build non-cabin canopied poker run boats that also fall into the description of a pleasure boat. I guess it just depends on your definition of pleasure.
Originally Posted by thisistank
(Post 3132424)
And I'll say it again, this isn't an "OL thing", you drive ANY boat improperly, you're going to get into trouble.
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Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3132410)
This isn't some silly conspiracy theory that I drummed up because I was bored... It's law...
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Originally Posted by Smarty
(Post 3132449)
If there are only two incidents with the 42' model, what size boat was it that ejected it passeneger (a girl) in a Connecticut Poker several years ago (this information is first hand from a passenger - an OL Dealer - who was in the boat). And this accident was due to driver error according to the witness, I do not disagree with that at all. Just restating history not making an opinion from the hip.
I cetainly do not know it all, but I am just trying to understand. I would have no problem owning or operating the OL product. If I could afford a new OL, I think they are one of the of the best V's built in the world. I am not aware of the connecticut passenger ejection. I am speaking of roll over type incidents. Again, as you stated it was driver error. I have been ejected out of a few boats (none OL's ) and I have no resentment for the manufacturer, as it was stupidity on my friends' part that led me to go swimming. For the record 2 of those times weren't on performance boats, but they were Center Consoles where the driver surfed on a boat wake and came down the back side. In any event I know of a cigarette in Rhode Island that ejected all of it's passengers a few years back, I know of a Nortech that ejected all of it's passengers, and I know of a few fountains that ejected it's passengers in New York, not to mention the infamous ghost ridden cigarette in russia & who couldn't forget the infamous Fountain in Florida that rolled causing Cash Bar to ride it home like Shamoo. In any performance boat there are implied risks and responsibilities to be had by the owner / operator. It starts with respect of the craft you are running & common sence to check your ego at the door and if you don't know what you are doing, than don't be afraid to ask. |
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Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3132450)
I don't care if you've owned 10 boats before an OL, if you're stepping up to what is basically an offshore race boat with a toilet you're still an amateur.
It depends what they have experience driving... Even if its driving a 35' Cig w/o a stepped bottom I would still say that they're amateurs in a 42' boat that has a stepped bottom. |
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Originally Posted by animalhouse
(Post 3132461)
Smarty,
I am not aware of the connecticut passenger ejection. I am speaking of roll over type incidents. Again, as you stated it was driver error. I have been ejected out of a few boats (none OL's ) and I have no resentment for the manufacturer, as it was stupidity on my friends' part that led me to go swimming. For the record 2 of those times weren't on performance boats, but they were Center Consoles where the driver surfed on a boat wake and came down the back side. In any event I know of a cigarette in Rhode Island that ejected all of it's passengers a few years back, I know of a Nortech that ejected all of it's passengers, and I know of a few fountains that ejected it's passengers in New York, not to mention the infamous ghost ridden cigarette in russia & who couldn't forget the infamous Fountain in Florida that rolled causing Cash Bar to ride it home like Shamoo. In any performance boat there are implied risks and responsibilities to be had by the owner / operator. It starts with respect of the craft you are running & common sence to check your ego at the door and if you don't know what you are doing, than don't be afraid to ask. |
We are moving forward with the 28, but have a substantial backlog of existing orders that we are building right now. As soon as we get some breathing room, we will dive into the 28.
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Originally Posted by animalhouse
(Post 3132518)
We are moving forward with the 28, but have a substantial backlog of existing orders that we are building right now. As soon as we get some breathing room, we will dive into the 28.
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All boats no matter who builds them have inherent handling characteristics. Not necessarily problems. I went from a 70 mph 32 Sunsation to an 85 mph 42 Fountain and felt that I need to know these. Completely different hulls and power. I took the Tres Martin HP class. I have been driving boats for years and didn't have a clue about really driving a boat and how much trouble you can get into and out of. Tres showed me this. Opened my eyes. Am I a professional, by no means, but what I got out of the class is the knowledge to feel what the boat is doing. He explains how a boat, hull, and drives work hydro dynamically. OL builds a beautiful, well engineered boat, but you need to learn its traits. This is where a professional like Tres comes in. Just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3132410)
Wait a minute... So now you're saying that OL doesn't market their boats to amateur boat drivers?
:bsflag: They market their boats to anyone that can afford them, and I would contend that MOST of their customers are amateur boat drivers. I believe that they offered the course more on the advice from their legal department more so than they thought it would be a "good idea." Under the implied warranty of merchantability that exists on EVERYTHING purchased new from a dealer that sells goods of the kind an item HAS to be fit for its particular use. A 42' OL, with a full dressed cabin, enclosed head, a/c, frige, shorepower, etc. at least pretends to be a pleasure boat and needs to fit that purpose. This isn't some silly conspiracy theory that I drummed up because I was bored... It's law... :coolcowboy: ed |
Originally Posted by mastercraft240
(Post 3132452)
They offer the course, thats all they can DO!
People are so up in arms about this, but all I stated was that IF there is a unique problem with OL THEN something should be done about it... This isn't brand bashing or anything like that. I have no contempt for OL or their beautiful boats, but the fact remains, if they have a problem it should be fixed. |
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3132589)
That's not entirely true... They can re-design their hulls too...
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Originally Posted by Big Time
(Post 3132480)
So what do you have to operate before you are allowed to operate a 42 ft stepped bottom boat? At what point do you not become an amateur? I guess I am just confused as to what you constitute and amateur vs. someone who is above that status? How do you get above amateur status if you never take that next step?
I consider someone above amateur status if they're professionally trained, or if they've learned on their own in a similar hull. A 35' Cigarette with a standard V bottom is not the same as a multiple step 42' OL, it's just not... You can't do the same things to the 42' OL that you can do with the Cig, and if you try to it can lead to disastrous consequences. Do you drive a motor cycle? And if you do, when did you consider yourself an expert? I drove a bike for almost 10 years and still didn't think that I was anywhere near an expert on the thing. I think performance boating is much the same way. The only way you can learn the limits of the boat or a bike is to push them and wreck (or be LUCKILY enough to nearly wreck), or get training from a course. |
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3132450)
I don't care if you've owned 10 boats before an OL, if you're stepping up to what is basically an offshore race boat with a toilet you're still an amateur. All I'm saying is that they're marketing these boats to non-expert boat drivers, and the boat has to have a degree of forgiveness.
It depends what they have experience driving... Even if its driving a 35' Cig w/o a stepped bottom I would still say that they're amateurs in a 42' boat that has a stepped bottom. By all accounts they're a completely different animal. In fact, it seems to me that someone with a ton of experience in a non-stepped boat may be worse off than someone without. The stepped boats are apparently a lot less forgiving than non-stepped hulls. I just mean that these are more or less fully ready race boats with cabins. I fully understand this, 100%. That said, OL's seem less forgiving than many other hull designs. If that's not the case, and all of these larger, high HP, stepped hull boats are rolling over at a high rate, than maybe courses should be offered with all of them. After all, they are $300k + each, it wouldn't kill them to offer their own training course or outsource a course to teach people how to drive their boats. high performance boat, include this. regards Rune |
Originally Posted by animalhouse
(Post 3132518)
We are moving forward with the 28, but have a substantial backlog of existing orders that we are building right now. As soon as we get some breathing room, we will dive into the 28.
Now, any chance of Billy making AC in two weeks? :) |
Originally Posted by fountain40icbm
(Post 3132592)
WTF are you smokin! There's nothing wrong with the bottoms but the simple fact that people dont know how to drive the boats properly. You can take a Baja and roll it too!! There is no unique or any problems with Outerlimits bottoms. End of story!
I takes a HELLUVA lot more to roll my Baja (I really don't even know if you can unless MAYBE you turn the wheel all the way, full throttle, with the tabs in the wrong position. It is a very easy boat to drive, very user friendly, and very forgiving) than it does to roll ANY step bottom hull. |
Originally Posted by wjb21ndtown
(Post 3132598)
You say "WTF are you smokin'" to me simply bringing up that they CAN re-design their hulls. A little defensive are we?
I takes a HELLUVA lot more to roll my Baja (I really don't even know if you can unless MAYBE you turn the wheel all the way, full throttle, with the tabs in the wrong position. It is a very easy boat to drive, very user friendly, and very forgiving) than it does to roll ANY step bottom hull. |
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