I am typically a lurker, and rarely ever post, but this exact topic has been really nagging me lately. I have had a terrible experience with a "well known" engine builder, and know of several others that are in the exact same boat as I. I had planned to post a "warning" and state a quick case (no name calling), but with the way a lot of threads turn on these boards I am thinking I won't because of the "attack" that I don't want to deal with. It is too bad because next year there will be several more people wishing they had known our situation.

I have to agree with thisistank. I have come here less lately because of all the whining going on. It seems that the Beware and Stolen forum is usually the same group of guys taking turns bashing the same guy over and over. It would be easier to take if it wasn't the same guys every day. Then the threads bashing a marina, engine builder or boat sales, usually by someone with less than 20 posts. Not that the post count has anything to do with it but if I see lots of posts it seems to have more creditability. It seems to me like so many here have an agenda and seldom are open minded about it.

OSO is a big place. Quite frankly, if you don't like a certain thread or topic - stay away from it. There's plenty of other stuff to talk about and plenty of other threads (99% of them) that don't involve drama. The problem is, most like the drama and feed it. A lot of the time it's like that car wreck you just can't look away from.

I've been posting or lurking on here since Jeff Cheng started OSO. There's always been some type of drama ever since the beginning. I could fill pages on a thread talking about all tebdrama over the years. The stuff posted lately is Just another round of it. Its like hemeroids, it flares up at different times and spots and then goes away. This round will go away too.

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so people should only post positve experiences? get real,

every purchase I make I read customer reviews, one bad review doesnt change my mind but if half the people hate the product i probably wont buy it, I think were all smart enough not to judge a company by one persons experience.

Shogren's posts were pretty much agreeing with the potential customer's posts. Then, he deleted the posts, and then the bashing in this thread began. Now the other thread is closed.

Looking through the posts, it appears nobody really read about the disappointment, nor did they read Shogren's posts. It wasn't even that big a deal to begin with, except for the forgotten buyer.

Doesn't speak well.

Pete, it's the one bad review that this thread is about. If someone is screwing people over I also want to know about it.

In our world of instant gratification patients has all but disappeared. I remember the days when ordering something through a catalog took 6 to 8 weeks or longer.

Everyone wants it now and never have a snag to deal with. Crap happens in any type of industry the true test of a company is how they handle the issues and treat the customer. Anyone thinking they are buying something and will never hit a snag is living in a dream world.

I walked into a bar last night and there was a former client on a DWI about 5 seats to my right. He got screwed over by the judge that took his plea - treated him like **** and unfairly too, in my opinion, but there was nothing I could do about it. Nevertheless, he was pretty unhappy and blamed me.

Behind me and to my left was a table of REAL criminals (nice bar, lol!) - 3 out of 6 of them had pending charges and wanted to schedule appointments. Needless to say, I have a very good reputation for being good at what I do. If there were internet forums in town where the disgruntled could bash me, it would be impossible to keep a good reputation. 100 satisfied clients and 1 dissatisfied and who do you think is going to make all the noise.

TEAM SHOGREN - if this is the worst I ever hear about you, you are OK in my book.

Based on your location and boat, most can guess who you are referencing I think. Which from the sounds of it, you are not the exception but the norm for motors coming out of that place...

Strange because you used to hear so much good about them too....