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Old 06-18-2010, 11:44 AM
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so basically it was the right balance of materials/design/CG/talent/all that stuff. I am guessing that was all done from experience rather then on a computer to, no CnC plug either

To tell the truth i had no idea how well they ran and rode till i copped a ride on one last year at the Cambridge poker run/race. Amazing . . . .
Dave the old Cigarettes ran great also even the old 6000# 36' race boat hulls before rigging. Shape and Mass.
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Alec i think most buyers these days are brainwashed into thinking some ultimate speed number in flat water is the most important thing, then again in defense of that most dont venture into the ruff stuff anyway. Any comparable boats these days are built in small numbers by companies like Saber generally done get a lot of press. Personally I'll take a heavy slower boat any day over some potato chip.


oooo yea . . . good one Steve forgot about that bad boy from Pantera
Again a heavy design built light will work with a ballast tank for snotty conditions, if not !! you are at the mercy and talent of the builder.

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OK

I hear ya Dave re the speed thing, and I agree.

Lets talk $$$ and cents for a sec.

Do these things get any PREMIUM on sale, because of the rep and the history or because everyone wants to go faster in smooth water with less HP it all washes out ?


GGGEEEZZ something just sparked here.

Lorne Libel started a cement company up here in Canada a few years back.
Apache Cement. Now I got it.
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Lorne Libel started a cement company up here in Canada a few years back.
Apache Cement. Now I got it.
Do they know where Hoffa is?







Performance boat buying habits are far different these days then when the 'ol wave crushers roamed the earth

Re incarnations like the 42 Saber are great boats without any doubt but would never pace something like a 42 Fountain in sales or any of the higher production hulls. Tell ya the truth if i had the means i would own Jassmans diesel 43 Nortech above all others, that boat is way cool and perfect for me. Noretch still builds boats on the wet heavy side and probably the closest thing these days to how the Apache's were built (this is meant as a compliment to you Nor Techies )
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Sir that would be the New Pantera 41 for one which has the old school Apache with modern computer corrected lines.
With all the hype re Apache over the years, performance etc.,

why havent the ventures smilarly named and using Apache molds and design, been successful ??
Are they regarded as KIT CARS, similar but not the real thing ??
No history, knockoffs etc ???
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How is the Hustler layed up? In all talks of great boats they are never mentioned??
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How is the Hustler layed up? In all talks of great boats they are never mentioned??
They have a good reputation and are cored from what I have seen.
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Steve you are a wealth of knowledge - you should be writing a book or teaching.... I can see it now "boat building 101"
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Steve 1, were the smaller apaches built with the same materials as the bigger ones? Obviously they weren't built the same as the ones with carbon fiber and kevlar, but what about the resin buckets?
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With all the hype re Apache over the years, performance etc.,

why havent the ventures smilarly named and using Apache molds and design, been successful ??
Are they regarded as KIT CARS, similar but not the real thing ??
No history, knockoffs etc ???
They are a very niche boat, working best in conditions where many decide to stay on the dock. They take big power and upkeep to run. Most would settle for a boat that handles big water decent, but not great and go faster in small water with less power and expense. They do take a while to sell, but the resale on the apaches is good. Think of it as traveling in the winter, most are happy with all season radials (bayliners) a step up is snow tires... next you get 4wd and maybe chains (cigs beaks etc) when the blizzard hits, your stuck in the living room unless you have a snow cat........ Do many people desire snow cats?? no.... are there a few who do??? Are there those who dont think about snow cats or wonder whats so great about them when they get caught in a blizzard and they are stuck in their car in a ditch under a 6 foot snowdrift?? a few....
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