Like Tree0Likes

Which was better SBI Miami/APBA Daytona

Reply
Old 05-03-2002, 05:14 PM
  #131
VIP Member
VIP Member
 
BruceK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Florida
My Boats: 40 Fountain Lightning
Posts: 237
Default

I'm just glad I type too slow to respond to any of this when I wanted to. Everyone has valid points and hopefully they will be acted upon sometime in the near future. Boat racing is definitely a sport that will endure someday. Hopefully sooner then later. For me, I need to see what these poker runs are all about now.
BruceK is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2002, 05:23 PM
  #132
Boat Girl
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

T2X- I cant picture you being unenthusiastic about anything...I know you...well kinda...I think, you were the guy in the F-16 helmet at last years Skater Fest...Right...LOL
 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2002, 07:17 PM
  #133
Registered
 
Ruben Bermudez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Ft. Lauderdale
My Boats: custom
Posts: 62
Default don't buy your way in?

Dammit, another legend bites the dust...
T-man, ya just HAD to PROVE you're obsolete.
EVERY major wanna-be-on-TV motorsports
has drivers whose talents have been "overshadowed"
by others with big sponsors dollars to bring to the table.

(for $25,000, the drivers seat of a world championship boat was available this year...)

See, Ya'll have this idea TV is gonna turn boatracing into NASCAR,
with the corresponding increase in dollars for everybody.

***eddaboutit.

Everybody has a CAR in the driveway,
only an elite few have a BOAT.
Get the picture?

Television will save boatracing
the same way it saved ROLLER DERBY.

Now, the ONLY things a promoter can do for the likes of RACING...
1. Put on races
2. Don't make the equipment obsolete every time a motor manufacturer throws a few dollars his way.
Ruben Bermudez is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2002, 07:20 PM
  #134
Registered
 
Ruben Bermudez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Ft. Lauderdale
My Boats: custom
Posts: 62
Default ...and furthermore

Boatracing will be saved when ya'll get your thousands-of-postings-on-OSO butts off the computer and either BUILD A BOAT, or HELP SOMEBODY ELSE RACE THEIRS.

GET INVOLVED.
You're either part of the SOLUTION,
or part of the PROBLEM.
Ruben Bermudez is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2002, 07:41 PM
  #135
Registered
 
Ruben Bermudez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Ft. Lauderdale
My Boats: custom
Posts: 62
Default uh-huh

The part you're not SEEING are the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of street stock, Enduro, and run-what-ya-brungers practicing their craft on dirt and macadam all over America.

Support racing BY ACTUALLY RACING...what a concept.

"The great architect of the universe has not invented
a substitute for results and victory."
Ruben Bermudez is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2002, 07:51 PM
  #136
T2x
Allergic to Nonsense
Platinum Member
 
T2x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Granite Quarry, NC
My Boats: 1966 !8' Switzer Wing "Miss Diablo" 1968 Switzer Wing "Dust'n the Wind 2",, 1960 Powercat 15C , 1977 17' Molinari w/Evinrude CCC
Posts: 5,004
Default

Reminds me of a comedian's line.....which I am paraphrasing......

"If it wasn't for Boat Racing... I would not be Racing Boats today."

Ruben: an awful lot of people on OSO have paid their dues........ you're certainly not the only one who has turned wrenches at midnite or towed boats cross country. While I admire your reverse elitism........... and gumption...... are you mad at us....... or the thankless tasks you continually refer to?

There is no doubt that without guys like you..... The sport would not get far....... and........... not enough credit is given to the supporting cast, be it crew member, scorers, divers, or whatever. But even in the NHRA, SuperCross, and even Unlimited hydro arenas...most of them get paid..... and that can happen in Offshore.

If you're interested, we used to get appearance money for some of the Tunnel Boat races....... which I gave to my crew.

Good luck with the prop shaft grease..... but watch the burrs they cut lika B_____H.

T2x
T2x is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2002, 08:03 PM
  #137
Registered
 
Ruben Bermudez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Ft. Lauderdale
My Boats: custom
Posts: 62
Default uh-uh

Okay...what, leave out a few smilies, and I'm angry...LOL!

Picture me laughing and typing...and laughing and wrenching.

There ARE NO "thankless" tasks, T-man.

The GOOD crewmen I've met all had a couplea character traits that set them apart from all the rest.

They felt they had no one to impress but themselves.

...and they took abuse like a Cuban Welterweight.

Hell, I ain't impressed with myself yet.

But at least I'm WORKIN' on it.


Ruben Bermudez is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2002, 11:09 PM
  #138
GOT MERC?
Thread Starter
 
Goodfella's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Boynton Beach FL
Posts: 574
Cool

T2x,
Save the resume, I know who you are and your vast knowledge of the sport I just think that you are wasting valuable knowledge that could help out either party. I remember seeing you on ESPN commmentating when I was still in high School. back in the early 80's.
Goodfella is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2002, 11:40 PM
  #139
Kent Perroux
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Ruben Bermudez, I agree with you 100%. If you want to support racing, race! or help someone race. I have had more enjoyment helping get a broken boat ready to race, then see our handiwork make it across the finish line for a checkerd flag, than I ever have sitting on shore or in a boat watching the race.

Tx2, you have some good points about building a following. I agree with that. Concentrating on some (large number) classes will also help build rivalies and develop a fan following. Like Drambui and Alcone. I do, however take exception to your recommendation for new leaders, or a combination of the two. I'll explain why:

1) SBI and APBA attract different markets even though some people race both. I enjoy both. SBI is more of a "tractor pull" and APBA is more closely compared to SCCA racing. When I say Tracktor Pull, I mean that as a compliment. Tractor pulls have basically unlimited horsepower. The rules are more flexible. APBA has many classes, not for the spectators, but for the racers. Also for the racers, the rules are are such to minimize the "Money Advantage". The Dyno deal with SBI is an inexpensive way to control some cheating, but you have been around racing. There are many ways to make an engine show the same horsepower on the dyno but have to ability to get there quicker. It only costs money. Unless SBI matched completely their rules, sealed engines and had third party inspectors for both groups, it will never work.

2) Why do you keep complaining about the leaderships? I don't know Carbonel, but for what he does, I think he runs a good program for the superboats, but I think his program for the Factory classes is a little slated towards the Fountain Fleet by letting the faster canopy F2 boats run in competition with the non-canopy; That is not fair to the non-canopy owners (IMO).

Also, (TX2), you keep badgering about replacing the leadership of APBA Offshore. Why? Are you a shareholder of that company? I do not think you nor anyone else, with the exception of the sharehoulders have that priviledge. APBA Offshore is not just a race club anymore. It is a corporation with investors that want a return on their investment.

I do not doubt the personality qualities of your proposal; I only know him from the board. Let me enlighen you; It is not personality that makes a company sucessful. (Unless you are running for President of the US - IE B.C.) Let me re-iterate TREADWELL's comments. APBA has never had the level of competition that is has under the present leadership. Gene Whip was a great person. And yes, he started several programs, but APBA Offshore did not grow until the present leadership took the reigns to control "Winning with Money". I believe Gene Whip would be very impressed if he could see the level of competition today in all of the major classes.


My Predictoins:
1) SBI will excel in the Superboats. The factory classes will remain, but in small numbers; primarily dominated by the Title Sponsors' boats.

2) APBA will excel in competitive racing in several classes. No specific manufacturer will dominate any class. (With the exception of the Drambui Skater. I hear Johm Tomlinson has a sleeping bag stuffed under his seat.
 
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2002, 12:40 AM
  #140
ScreaminDemon
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Kent Perroux - you obviously did not "understand" the comments by T2x...please go back and re-read them, and you should then answer your own questions and understand what he is saying.
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
FREEZE FRAME VIDEO
Super Boat International
0
04-23-2007 10:35 PM
Pat D
Super Boat International
19
04-19-2007 08:39 AM
Pat D
Super Boat International
4
04-12-2007 06:31 PM
GrinandBarrett
General Boating Discussion
2
04-13-2005 11:27 PM
bryanh
General Racing Discussion
42
03-14-2005 08:11 PM



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:24 PM.


Copyright 2011 OffShoreOnly. All rights reserved.