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Rob Rich 07-27-2010 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 3168648)
go to SKATER NATION for a 50 ft skater...:eek:

Oh Yeah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drink::drink::drink ::drink:

My thoughts exactly!

MANITIE 07-27-2010 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by boatme (Post 3168617)
My opinion on how a boat race should be run has been posted many times but i will try this again

I think that the key to success is TV and an event atmosphere. It is more important than a roundy round race course

When the races were run here in Grand Haven Michigan in the 80's the boats ran a course that was something like a 30 mile circle course. There were almost 400,000 spectators on water and land and the sea of spectator boats was phenomenal even though the race boats only passed by a few times during the race. The weekend was full of events and lots of people walking the dry pits and the wet pits and the action that we could see from a boat on the water was great since these guys were running true offshore conditions on a long course (No roundy round) The event was covered on TV and had lots of press.

People come out for the activity and fun not just to see boats go roundy round

When you watch racing of any type it is about the EVENT! It is about the characters , the location, the boats, the weather, the water ,ect... and oh by the way there was a race

Look at the Kentucky Derby, it is a 3 minute race, but it is a weeklong event. Look at the Tour De France, people come out in droves to watch the bikes go by ONE TIME but it is all about the TV coverage and the party atmosphere. The Iditarod dogs run in nasty conditions and again watched by millions on TV and hundreds of thousands that go out to watch them blow buy ONCE

Our poker run had thousands come out to watch the boats and they only came and went twice into the channel but there was plenty of hype, no TV but it had the ever present EVENT atmosphere and thousands came out to an event, that for the most part, was focused on the participants and the Make A Wish kids still people put it on their calendar just to come see the boats and the people and the EVENT not the actual running since we ran 140 mile course

my opinion for success is this

1) A true OFFSHORE RACE - none of this roundy round crap
2) Good TV Coverage with good knowledgeable commentators and coverage of characters, events and locations
3) Just a few classes -To many classes just confuse the fans
4) Make it a 4 or 5 day event with music, car shows, poker run, boat shows ect....
5) Stop thinking it is about the race. It IS About The EVENT
6) Unity in race organizations
7) Great location that can handle many components of an EVENT


I have been involved in putting on races and poker runs in the past, and I have discussed putting on another race here (a true OFFSHORE RACE) Until we realize the racing itself is just a small component of the entire event we will not get where we need to go. Contrary to what is popular, I do not believe you need a spectator friendly course to have success. You need to have an event that makes people just want to be around the atmosphere in general. And Oh Yea there is a boat race

a little Video of Grand Haven Races in the late 80's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3xr-3gVEEw


Picture of spectator boats

We raced in Grand Haven on one of those round and round courses in 2003....it was only a divisional race and it was packed with spectators....
One thing is...Grand Haven is a great venue on any course...

But like I said...we all have are input....but the proof you have to look at who had the best TV shows and on what racing format....

With APBA on the Speed Channel....they had a lot of classes..but they only aired the Pro Sereis classes....they gave the finall results on all the P-Classes..but did not air there racing..
Also there were 2 shows for each race...
The F1's, F2's and SVL and the Super Vees and the second show was the big boys....

Wildman_grafix 07-27-2010 09:42 AM

So what was the issue with the Turbines?

purrfection 07-27-2010 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by JBS (Post 3168583)
The delam happened in the same spot that it was repaired.An attempt was made to patch the problem for the race but we decided that it wasn't going to be safe.The entire JBS racing crew is extremely bummed that we didn't get to slay some gecko ass for St Clair.

My hats off to Jeff Stevenson and team JBS. This team has had more than their fair share of bad luck over the last couple of years. Hulls continuously delaminating and problems with their turbines. Undoubtedly the biggest damage has been done to Jeff's wallet. One thing that can be said about this team is that they have the desire to race and the desire to put on a good show for the fans. Here's to hoping they get these setbacks figured out and they get back on the race course, where they deserve to be. Thanks Jeff for all your efforts.

Catmando 07-27-2010 01:27 PM

Haha Three Stooges run BP. :D

Quinlan 07-27-2010 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by boatme (Post 3168617)
My opinion on how a boat race should be run has been posted many times but i will try this again

I think that the key to success is TV and an event atmosphere. It is more important than a roundy round race course

When the races were run here in Grand Haven Michigan in the 80's the boats ran a course that was something like a 30 mile circle course. There were almost 400,000 spectators on water and land and the sea of spectator boats was phenomenal even though the race boats only passed by a few times during the race. The weekend was full of events and lots of people walking the dry pits and the wet pits and the action that we could see from a boat on the water was great since these guys were running true offshore conditions on a long course (No roundy round) The event was covered on TV and had lots of press.

People come out for the activity and fun not just to see boats go roundy round

When you watch racing of any type it is about the EVENT! It is about the characters , the location, the boats, the weather, the water ,ect... and oh by the way there was a race

Look at the Kentucky Derby, it is a 3 minute race, but it is a weeklong event. Look at the Tour De France, people come out in droves to watch the bikes go by ONE TIME but it is all about the TV coverage and the party atmosphere. The Iditarod dogs run in nasty conditions and again watched by millions on TV and hundreds of thousands that go out to watch them blow buy ONCE

Our poker run had thousands come out to watch the boats and they only came and went twice into the channel but there was plenty of hype, no TV but it had the ever present EVENT atmosphere and thousands came out to an event, that for the most part, was focused on the participants and the Make A Wish kids still people put it on their calendar just to come see the boats and the people and the EVENT not the actual running since we ran 140 mile course

my opinion for success is this

1) A true OFFSHORE RACE - none of this roundy round crap
2) Good TV Coverage with good knowledgeable commentators and coverage of characters, events and locations
3) Just a few classes -To many classes just confuse the fans
4) Make it a 4 or 5 day event with music, car shows, poker run, boat shows ect....
5) Stop thinking it is about the race. It IS About The EVENT
6) Unity in race organizations
7) Great location that can handle many components of an EVENT


I have been involved in putting on races and poker runs in the past, and I have discussed putting on another race here (a true OFFSHORE RACE) Until we realize the racing itself is just a small component of the entire event we will not get where we need to go. Contrary to what is popular, I do not believe you need a spectator friendly course to have success. You need to have an event that makes people just want to be around the atmosphere in general. And Oh Yea there is a boat race

a little Video of Grand Haven Races in the late 80's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3xr-3gVEEw


Picture of spectator boats




Nice shoot of Craig Berry . Little less Gray then cpl weekends ago on GLOC.

Comanche3Six 07-27-2010 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 3168648)
go to SKATER NATION for a 50 ft skater...:eek:

Oh Yeah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drink::drink::drink ::drink:

50 Skater....That is a beautiful powerboat!

RunninHotRacing163.1 07-28-2010 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 3169128)
50 Skater....That is a beautiful powerboat!

Peter would take great care of you Jeff :drink::drink::drink:

TeamSaris 07-28-2010 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by HabanaJoe (Post 3165422)
How many 16 or 17 years want to go to a race and watch daddy run the boat? They rather stay home on Xbox or update facebook then sit there like a hump.

This will be my second year racing with my dad in class 5. Im 17.

innerrage 07-28-2010 10:25 PM

u got one of the best in the business good luck this season:drink:


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