FF & UD play nice or I'm gonna have to put you in time out!

While the accuracy of the info is indeed important at the end of the day we only know what we've heard or read unless we've actually witnessed it ourselves.

Good info for others regardless of what route they choose to go.

Is that the Rock the Bay event? I just received a personal invite to it last night.

Checkbook what checkbook mine ran for cover & won't come out of hiding for fear I'll clean her out!

If I charge $1/ride I can pay for it in say????:confused:

:offtopic: As for old JR what are the chances one can be in 2 plane crashes as well as be the pilot both times?? I played the lottery figuring I've got to be luckier than him. I loved the way he exits the plane first as opposed to allowing his lady friend out first. Unless maybe she was knocked out. Glad everyone is ok I've been around way too many plane crashes since I joined the sport in 1992.

You dont have the luxury of calling BS on me then posting more opinion.

Post third party sources for your data!

Your stats on the #6 are akin to finding a human vagina on a unicorn- literally impossible. < Dont quote a one off weisman#6 please post your data on the #6 everybody has>

Third party data shows tested shaft HP vs claimed HP< note the spread.> its from 30-60HP 50HP being on higher performance engines.
Your comment on the 25HP full pull isnt backed by any data Ive seen.

Actually dyno testing seems to show about 10% on bravos giving nascat an effective 70HP drop. Or in other words in his application hes picking up 40HP a side. Big stuff, and a wider gap than my claim.

My "second hand report" was a copy from Dustins post.
SAE HP is SAE HP the engine makes it or it doesnt.
Dustins testing vs your opinion= Dustin wins.
Merc doesnt actually dyno every 700 from what I understand - Ilmor dynos every single engine that leaves.

(actually the 700 nxt combo is awesome and I like it a lot, but its stats and specs are what they are)

For that matter do you have any videos of you in a dyno cell?
I do of me- I dont need a lesson from you on how to compute power.

Show us some third party data.

Heres some more to back my claim (and refute yours)

Full throttle marine HAS a propshaft dyno, and has tested 60HP of loss in a 600HP engine.

http://www.fullthrottlemarine.com/49...%20Article.htm

(Ill make it easy so one doesnt have to read the full comprehensive report - but be carefull its "secondhand")
"One last Myth to bust. How much horsepower does a Bravo drive absorb? For those of you that are observant, you’re probably ahead of me. It’s certainly not 25 or 30 HP like many have come to believe. It is a percentage. In this case with a Bravo X drive, right at 10%. I’ve done testing on 600 HP engines and lost 60+ HP to the drive."



You started the personal stuff- not me, dont pull the "I dont deserve it" when you shot first - then again post no actual data.


Uncle Dave

Lets get back to the bad azz skater project.

agreed!


I continue to lust after Nascats Skater.


UD

Pre-Preg carbon nanotubes, parasitic drive losses, whatever else you want to yak about is cool but I'm all for diggin this skater project.

NICE rePOWER !!!

M.......What is your prop selection and what are the speeds do you hope for with this new set up ?

Good question & the answer could go either way. My boat ran 135mph w/ the Bravo's so there's the baseline.

We've estimated the drive / steering / Ext box swap for the Indy drives will result in a +200lb gain & I'm having to spin transmissions & much larger gears. With that said I'm thinking I may only see 130mph.

But Peter says the drives are mounted 1" higher, there's less drive in the water from a drag standpoint, they are drysump & he said cleaver type props are more efficient (lower slip #'s). While I'm spinning a tranny & bigger drive gears I'm no longer spinning a drive line like I was. How much the above offsets / compensates for the additions I first mention I'm not sure but maybe my top speed will remain the same or I'll see 140mph.

I have ZERO #6/SSM experience. I've ridden in boats w/ those drives but never driven one or been involved in any sea trialing prop tests to understand the characteristics of the props & how gains are made by increasing/decreasing diameter, pitch or rake like I have w/ round ear bravo style props.

My understanding is there will be a handling performance gain as the cleaver type props seem to give a more hooked up / better bite feel & that I would agree with having ridden in several #6 boats including a 36 Nortech w/ Merc 850's this past weekend. Anytime we surfaced even the slightest bit when the props re-entered they bit hard & propelled forward.

My previous setup spun the props inward, Peter assures me he's going to put it thru the paces not just reassemble it, check for leaks & tell me to come get it.

I've been telling Skater & ILMOR they ought to contact Matt Trulio / PowerBoat Mag since my boat has been in a Performance test as well as won Offshore Cat of the Year so the baseline info is there for a great before & after upgrade story! Must be my NASCAR business to business marketing opportunity thinking out loud!

I'd love to get some input from other Skater owners that have lots of #6 / cleaver prop experience who understand the principals of those drives & the way the props work to get their opinion as to what they anticipate the outcome of this swap to yield. Guys like Gatorone, Pbam, BLee, Freedom US-1. They all have much larger more powerful Skaters but they understand their boats very well.

Mike - I would think that there would be some good feedback from the 30' Eliminator that's running 725/Indy's. He's somewhere around mid-150's, so that setup can't be too bad!

The NJPPC event is a five-day extravaganza of touring the Bay, fine food and drink, fine boats and great people. Check NJPPC.com for details. Rock the Bay is a more conventional poker run if you only have a day or two.

...or you could do both.

(Does Rick know that you're supporting RP's bottom line by buying from Ilmor?)

I know about the Eliminator but it's only a 28 & has probably close to 100h.p. more than mine (since 725's are closer to 740hp+) and the real question is whether my top speed will increse or decrease in comparison to the bravo set up. That boat was built as an ILMOR / Indy drive boat and rigged to accommodate such not retrofitted.

I'll have to look into those runs, I really don't have 5 days I can take off + travel.

Rick knows but doesn't care. I see Roger all the time on the spotters stand at the track. Of course I let him know what a great job Paul, Ian & company are doing!

I used to work for Roger back in the day, in fact I got my start in racing in 1984 in the IROC series. Small world!