Cosker On Mystic Delamination
 

One of the few voices that, until now, had yet to be heard on this subject, http://www.boats.com/boat-content/20...-other-issues/

Matt, thank you for your great articles/interviews! :) This was a first class interview of a first class boat builder imo.

Great to see a builder admitting a mistake or 2 and making it right. no BS at all.

Straight-up, no non-sense. I can appreciate that. Thanks John and Matt.
:)

Seems like a no BS kind of guy.

Wow that is awesome a builder coming clean and nothing to hide, that is very huge in my book as I have said before all builders no matter how good they may seem to be, have made mistakes some small and some larger but it is how you stand by your product in the end of the day that set's you apart. Great report Matt!!!

No Bullsh_t there, just the facts.

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no work here either

Link doesn't work my friend

Sorry guys, the link broke. I've reposted it above, as well as here, http://www.boats.com/boat-content/20...-other-issues/

One more point you might find interesting: Cosker took time from his vacation with his family to answer my questions. I cannot begin to tell you, based on 15 years of covering the go-fast world, how rare that is.

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Agreed.

Hopefully they have it figured out and won't see these problems going forward.

I also think the explanation of the speeds his boats basically all see certainly adds to the stresses on those boats, and the need to get the lamination perfect.

It's always great to see a builder stand behind their product. I know i'm going to get alot of crap for my next comment, but here we go. It should have never happened in the first place. You build a boat for those speeds and then you admit it was inferior quality. Thank God you don't build planes. Like I said before, I'm going to hear it, and I deserve to hear it. I'm just giving my opinion. I'm a nobody who could only dream of having a 50 ft Mystic, but it is America and I do have an opinion.

NASA shouldn't build space shuttles either...... When pushing the limits, you will sometimes find limits, and then you improve. Nobody has gone where Cosker has gone.

..........skater?

I think he did the right thing & came clean. No manufacturer of anything is perfect to my knowledge but obviously some product / vehicle failures result in greater losses than others.

Mystic is the only one where ALMOST all of the boats coming out of their door are running 200mph any day of the week. I understand alot of MTI's and Skater's can push the 170-180 mark on a regular basis, but I would bet there are more Mystics breaking 200 than all other manufacturers combined.

Probably a fact but lets not forget they are 50' & cannopied b/c I'm thinking 170 in a 38' open cockpit boat spells disaster.

has anyone been doing the higher hp turbines, or any engines in a skater of any sort and looking for a huge number?

also, another question, i do not know, so just asking, why have none of the mystics beaten the bacardi silver kilo record? was it different classes? or how does that work?

That's not because a skater cannot push those speeds, but that just isn't the market they are necessarily going after. Im sure skater wouldn't hesitate to build a 200mph cockpit boat.

Pretty sure the "50" Mystics are 43 feet in actual hull length, like the "50" Skaters are 46's.

Did JBS also have a glass problem at the last race in Florida or was that just a bad rumor?

Cosker is First Class in my book!!!Nice guy too!!;)

pulled this section off by hand...

Wow... So that's from the 2nd boat?

I haven't kept up on the boards but was anything ever said about it? I had heard it from someone who was at the race but never bothered to confirm.

last years boat had "cosmetic" issues so many times you could not count them. from front to back and even the trim rams were going through the bottom of the boat. stringers were added and we were told that "it's only cosmetic"...

this year..."it's only "cosmetic"!!!

"we may have been able to be fixed the night before the race—but both Jeff and I judged it wasn’t prudent to take the chance."

john made the call and said he was unable to fix it there.

jeff and i are not into getting killed because of "cosmetic" damage.

skater has been an AMAZING help!

the above pix is the "cometic" area that was fixed every day in key west and the next year!

when the boat blew in miami jeff and i were in constant communication with shore and the powers that be...."it's only cosmetic" we know how that ended.

Dayum BIG Daddy :eek:

Sounds like you guys will be opening that can of WOOP AZZ real soon ,good luck :drink::drink:

funny how it's jeff's fault when he races with the cosmetic damage...and it's still his fault when he doesn't race because of the cosmetic damage...

You guys have all missed the point. Just go to the library and check out the book on how to build a 200 mph catamaran. Any of the top builders can build one that won't break. Any of the top builders can build on that will go 200 mph. Building one that goes 200 mph and doesn't break, well, that's another matter. Water pressure formula: Velocity squared X .0147 = pressure in psi. 100 mph x 100 mph x .0147 = 147 psi. 200 mph x 200 mph x .0147 = 588 psi. Get it?

If I understand correctly we just need a customer to order a 50 ( shortened 3 feet to 43 make is fair ) Skater turbine race boat for next year and drop off the check to Peter. To run the Mystic's
Would love to see it :coolcowboy:
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I see it as... If JBS was given a race hull (free) then these problems are accepatable. But when JBS spends huge money for the best then the best should be delivered.

Not a ton of money towards someone elses R&D

Otherwise why doesn't JBS own part of the company they are financing R&D for.

The few Mystics that have been built, were all ordered with 200mph in mind. This could be said about every Skater & MTI built to date, if they were ALL ordered with 200 in mind.




Peter & Randy have gone where Cosker is going many times before, in some cases with more impressive setups that bolting two jet engines to their boats.

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JBS + Mystic
 

No matter how much it's explained-Nobody can get my confidence in Mystic or cash sponsors back.

Well thats the harsh truth and we need you to race and sponsors to keep the sport going !!!
Bottom line!!!


Keep up the good work.
Jim

Good article. John's a good guy and as you can see a man behind his product. Congrats John.

Joe,

With that area being one of the most stressed areas on the hull, how will they fix that? As I understand it, any scarfed joint will not be as strong as a single uniform sheet of fabric. Since the single sheet has failed, why would the repair be stronger?

Thanks

Oh ... that ... It'll buff right out.