Not race boats!! That was people using their pleasure boats to go to Bimini and back. There wasnt even any OL's or AT there! There was the Outlaw 37 A/T that ran for a number a years with SBI. I also belive their was a 25 and 32 as well.

Exactly, they didn't even show; wow boasting about being first to a card stop in a poker run is cool but when you have a chance to do some real open ocean running...no shows - and right in AT's back yard??? But I guess that is irrelevant.

And there are both race and pleasure classes so they could have run whatever.

The Logo that Outerlimits copied?

Good observation. The Cig logo is a beautiful thing, so you can't blame anyone that would like their own version.

Not at all. I think the % of depreciation is about the same for both.
The price is just another factor to consider when comparing the boats.

The original thread started with what is the main diffrence between Cig , Nortech , Ol ... Compare the same year 525 powered boats 39 feet .. What is the best bang for your buck ... top speed ? price ? seating ? etc ?

If you are sticking with 39's only, the Cig is the clear winner. The Nortech is strange looking and the 39 is not OL's best bottom.

top speed of the 39 Gun with 525 and xr's ?

If I remember right from a few years ago they ran mid 80's??????

Cig will also have the most "Cig" logos too! Expect to find 30-40 logos on everything from the sh!tter box in the cabin to the ignition keys! :D

The 39 NT will be giant compared to the others, cabin is impressive, the nose/deck of the boat is nice just the rear is not great but paint can hide a lot of that. Stu from FPC's 39V was the best one built so far.

Nortech 39: nice boat; Nortech usually has lots of bells and whistles type stuff. Its a side by side. The style of the 39 isn't their best effort. Decent ride quality but not known as a fast hull.

Cig 39: Has received many accolades and is frequently quoted as Cig's best all around boat. The 700 package is a full stagger. Great handling and ride quality; great fit and finish. Cockpit is small; no enclosed head. Not the fastest 700 boat but no slouch either.

Outerlimits 37 Single Step: I Believe the 37 was made in a Stiletto (stand-up) and GTX (sit down) style. I assume you are interested in the Stiletto, which is also a staggered set up, but not a full stagger. They are no longer made so the used ones will be a few years older than your other choices. I have only been in the sit down boat and found the ride a bit on the "sharp" side. I've never been a huge fan of their interiors, the mat'ls don't seem to wear well. They appear to be top notch as far as the speed aspect goes.

Bottom line is that they are all well made; go look at all three and decide which is the best fit for your wants and budget. As for me you can see what choice I made; if I was looking at new boats the OL would be on my list as would the 43 AT, and of course the Cig.

Actually Tom, U can get the 39 NT in a side by side or split bolsters!!

So, when you build yours, leave alot of the logos off.

:D I don't like them enough to pay for one! If I had 400K burning a hole in my pocket Terry at NT would get my order!

A 39 TG/700 boat is hard to beat for simplicity and the ideal paint scheme is the Playboy version (black hull, white deck,silver boot stripe) with less than 5 logos total! :D

1. Boat is staggered, not side by side as far as engines and majority of the 39 boats are split front bolsters (43/50s are primarily side by side bolsters).

2. Not a fast hull? Boat runs mid 80's w/525's which is what a 39 TG runs with the same power despite the NT being heavier/bigger.

TG is far better looking though but way more common due to the longer production run with few changes.......:D

True story; 2007 Key West Worlds; Sunday a.m.; getting ready to head back to Miami; seas forecast for 7-9's outside the reef; winds 20-30mph; I pull up to a 43 Nortech rafted up at the gas dock while waiting for Wild to gas up his 38TG. I compliment the guy on the 43 which was a beautiful boat; he says thanks its not mine, I'm just Captaining it for the Owner and today with this water I'd rather be in yours.

:bsflag::bsflag::evilb:

Truth hurts huh? Did I strike a nerve...is it really incomprehensible? Do yoiu want me to write what he said next? That said it was just his opinion, coming from a guy who'd driven both.

No way....I have been to the Bahamas on two different 43V's and made the run on an 07 TG and the NTs rode like a Cadillacs compared to the TG!

So which '07 39 700 TG was it? and if you're calling me a liar we have an issue here.

I have a 38 conventional bottom with 1000's and bravo's and I also have a 37 OL with 6's and decent power in it. I have run both boats as fast as safely possible in 4's and 5's in the gulf and the OL won out in my opion.....it also has #6's so I could be more aggressive. They are both AWESOME boats. They all perform differently in different conditions. If you really want to go fast and put some power 1000hp+, your options are limited in the 38-39 cig as there are not that many #6's out there. The STRUCTURAL build quality in both boats is top notch...but the OL is a friggin wave bustin Battleship with #6's. Cig holds its value the best...but it all depends on what you want to do with the boat and what your budget is and what factors are MOST important to you. The build quality of the AT is not in the same league as a Cig or OL. One of the reasons they run fast is that they are light. I could see the deck flexing in the ones I have been in. Nortech builds a hell of a boat....you can also find them with #6's on them. The 37OL has great headroom and almost a queensize bed compared to the cig. I thought when I bought it....I will be picking up cabin size and #6's to sacrifice the legendary ride.....but that wasn't the case. I don't know what an OL with bravos performs like because I wanted #6's. Just my personal observation from 1st hand experience. They all have thier stong points......none of the boats are the BEST in all categories.

1. I never said it was a 39, the boat I went to the Bahamas on was the 38 525/OSO boat
2. Not really considering you a liar, but maybe lied too! Maybe the "captain" was working on the NT and knew he wouldn't be able to put in a worker's comp claim after a ride in the NT and he knew in a TG it would be an easy claim! :D

No one will ever be convinced a 38/39 10K lb boat will ride better than a 43(closer to 45) that weighs 2-3K more.

Tom you have an awesome boat, one of the best looking and fastest 39's out there. No one is knocking your specific boat or brand but contrary to popular belief the "#1" isn't "#1" at everything. :D

Tom this is what I was trying to say in my earlier post.....

Well I can tell'ya for a fact that the guy said what he said...unsolicited...and of course was one guys opinion. I haven't been in a 43NT so I can't personally compare. And a 38/525 boat isn't a 39/700 boat, so I don't know that that is a fair comparison either. I also never said the Cig was #1 at everything...they all have their positives and negatives; including price. But I think its safe to say that for all around performance; (handling, speed and ride quality) the Cig 39/700 boat is pretty hard to beat.

Anyone have the Sept 2007 Powerboat Mag? If so please post the perfomance numbers on the Nor-Tech 3900/700 boat test. Likewsie for the March 2006 and Jan 2007 issues for the OL Stiletto. I have the 39 Cig test so lets compare what PB mag found in the numbers. Thx!

The Cig 39 is 38'-9" no bustle; 9,900 to 11,295 lb hull weight depending on where you look.

The Nor-Tech 43 is 43'-9" LOA with a bustle and 13,000lbs.

So we are talking about 5 foot in length less the bustle so probably more like 2-3 feet difference. Big difference is the beam 8 vs 9'...the narrower boat should handle the rough stuff better. I don't know what the deadrise is on the NT so I can't compare that.

anyone can comment on anything.. or take a captains comment's on a boat to be correct or false, who's to say he even knew how to drive that boat correctly. Unless any of us have enough seat time on a given boat or multitude of boats back to back in same water conditions, comments are just chest thumping... my boat is better than yours.. It was mentioned that not every boat is good at everything.. as well as bravo boats are way different than speedmasters, which I prefer. Enjoy your boats guys, they are all good when they dont break..:grinser010:

"build quality of the AT is not in the same league as a Cig or OL"

funny i have not had anything fall off the boat... and the headliner is still attached! (OL) not the case with the cigarette I had.. and the outerlimits interiors are a joke! the same with the cig.. who ever did the stiching was drunk.

And nothing wrong with the 39 Nor tech looks its a awesome boat. that nor-tech 427 is bad!

Not meaning to correct you but the 37 AT weighs in over 10K. Our lamination schedule is at the very least over-built.We have zero-hull failures and no complaints of stress cracks on any boat I can recall. The speed is thru the patented hull design.

The flexing you see in the deck is not a strength issue as the knits and cores support the area. We simply chose not to utilize a bulkhead to support the deck at the v-berth. This allows easier access to the v-berth as well as a more 'open' feeling in our cabins.

If fiberglass doesn't flex it breaks. You just need to make sure your lamination schedule meets the demand.

2005 - 39 Quattro 525 staggered ..96mph Power boat mag ..

But its not OL 's best bottom !

AT do have a nice cabin I think the nicest in that size rang. But I went with a 39 Nor-Tech to me was the best boat for me, and what I was looking for. To each is own, I would be happy and lucky to own any of the boats talked about.

Good explanation on the deck.....it was unnerving to me. Wish I had known that when I was in it. :) That is a beautiful cabin in the picture that you posted. My 37 weighs quiet a bit more that 10K and the 38 is just about 11K. The AT is a fast hull no doubt. Have you done a full stagger #6 boat? Following a 37AT down the road from behind just looks crazy to me. It looks like something is missing. :) I am not taking stabs at your boat. My hat is off to you for doing something different with your bottom than everyone else has done. I thought that the AT would not ride good in rough water as flat as the bottom is in the back....but I was totally surprised at how well it did ride in rough water. Not at all what I was expecting from where I formed an opinion from looking at it on the trailer.

41 Pantera!

Anybody?

Isn't putting 'best bang for the buck' when talking about an OL kind of like asking about the gas milage of a ferrari??

Don't want to burst anyones balloon, but, a boat is a boat. It's the guy that's working the sticks and trims that makes the difference.

Some guys can make a v bottom sing, and suck in a cat.

Conversely, some can fly a cat, but can't get a v bottom up on plane.

Its not the pen, its the penmanship.

PERFECT !!!

Speed is not the most important aspect to a boat.. OL and Cig's have higher X dimensions from the factory.. Terry Sobo has posted numerous times that NT's are set up with an all around user friendly set up.

I believe the customers boat for the article was around 101.7 but don't quote me.. The Yanmar boat was around 80-82... that i know for a fact. Jeff

I guess we should all have just bought Bayliners and saved some $$$.

BAYLINERS.... The Next Cig..:grinser010:

Did OL make Stilletto's in 2006 and 2007 ?