Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 3220705)

That is what it is all about. Always chasing the legend and trying to beat it any way you can. Ovens are for cookies. :D

Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 3220732)

dude its retired after 20yrs I am putting a 1100hp saber 28 don't worry if I get a sponsor for the race I'll be there and I got beat in my baja by chasing sonic 36 with blowers , a formula famous one OUTLAW 35 with blowers after I had beatin a 27 formula he chased me done but that was with a 454 in the boat. hey I don't hate cigs there a good boat my fav is ICE s 89 new to him 38tg. I looked at a few last summer doc who had the purple twin 800hp boat with yellow , also a steal on a 35 cafe a friend bought instead. my needs are small its no fun runninhg in 6 to 8s in thing been there cape race in 02 didn't matter what boat you had something was breaking that day and did in all class mine my bolster and navigator was worried me running no bolster bounce around like a pimg pong ball even a sv fountain broke its hull. so you may see me haha it was fun in the 90s before steps pickin on the big boats. now at 28ft I can run 90 to 100 in 2 to 3s the only other boat to have fun in going over a 100 in 4 to 5s ios a skater 46 with turbines, riding shot gun in rough water they were not have as nice a ride as us. its funny the people I move to a old cig or new think there chit don't stink, but theres a lot of us just chuckle and let it ride.but the real #1 should be richie sr he never sold the company built boats before DON but built them not put the cooks together sell a few boats then sell the co and start the same boat over with a different name Donzi should have had the 1 they came 1st. but RICHIE built the pt boats 1st then went in to offshore and still beating other boat COs that went to stepped hulls which we see in videos cigs spinning out throwing there crew here down in fl and in russia haha.after you ride in walts 39 sut tell me there not it no beak no step no bull sutphen powerboats the real #1 in offshore racing they never had adds and tv bull like cig did in the 80s or 90s nope.I hope to be running new boat in weeks before my next surgery and if it sux it will be dis manteled I will talk to richie again haha, I tried steal the red hull he has ready now but we didn't agree and that new 31 will keep up with a 38 if its BOXER Ernies boat and with him driving will give as good a ride as any vee with in 5ft. later don't hate cigs its funnyhow some of you guys act its like the fountain guys of a few yes ago they were the fastest won most of the late races cause it was a 9 to1 average or all fountains in a class at the races reg blew his money with adds sponsorships which helps formula did that my bubby raced 5yrs in f2 broke a part the boats a 99, next was a 02 I think cause to get money you had to buy new boat every 3yrs and Isaw what he paid they were a lot cheaper than regular customers or retail:grinser010:

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3220734)

The difference is you don't see the Cig guys calling out the other brands; it's always the other way around...so why do you think that is???

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3220736)

So all you Cig owners stating Cigarette is #1 and the best of the best of the best doesn't have any correlation with that? Okay.........

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3220736)

So all you Cig owners stating Cigarette is #1 and the best of the best of the best doesn't have any correlation with that? Okay.........

Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 3220747)

it went over his head:coolcowboy:, glad it looks like I will miss the river run by a week those sut verses cig stuff was funny last week. :party-smiley-004: boy I hope I got my x set right if this saber runs it will be funny.

Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 3220768)

^^Dude youre giving a bad name to all Cig. owners right now.
Get over yourself and your Cig.
I bet you own a convertible Porche.. common admit it:lolhit:

Originally Posted by damdonzi (Post 3220880)

If Santa put one of these under our tree this year I would do the following.

If it were a Cigarette 39:
I would treat it as if it were one of my kids. Cherish it as if it was a rare family heirloom that would never be sold -even though we all know we get the itch to change our boats every 3-5 years. I would enjoy the pride of ownership and performance that can only come with a Cigarette.

It it were a Nortech 39:
I would be on the horn that morning to Terry Sobo so quickly working a deal for a 43 or 50 center console, it would be comical. (And I don't even know if he celebrates Christmas!) There is just something about the 39 that I really can't pinpoint in terms of styling, that I don't care for. It literally is the only model in thier entire line-up that I feel that way about.

If it were an Outerlimits:
I would sell it.

Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 3220914)

Don't be a dick. You know it takes time to sell any one of these style boats. I have had more than several offers and could have sold my boat already. The problem is I will not give it away. I am not going to blow out a boat just to get rid of it. And speaking of Cigarette, show me a better 39 V out there. You can't.

Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 3220916)

Whats the difference between a Cig. and a Porcupine ?...

The Cig. has pricks on the inside:drink:

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3220924)

Here's what Anna had to say about the AT guys...

Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3220927)

Either that or she was showing how much money Enrique had left after buying a Cig......:D

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3220928)

You see I changed the quote to include you...BTW do you have a boat?

Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3220936)

I still have a 32 Sunsation that I bought new in 04.......

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3220544)

Not so sure about that.

Originally Posted by cowisl (Post 3220955)

Your not? I am. We have owned one. In fact, I still have the speeds from when Mike originally tested our old 37' Ol. Dude, I respect your opinion but sometimes you got to put down the pom-pon's. My friend's 38 TG ran 87 all day in fresh water. It ran 85 with 10 people in it! Our 37 with hooked up 575's just barely touched the low 90's. Not trying to argue..just stating my opinion, and we all know they are like a$$holes, everyone has one

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3220963)

A 37OL with staggered 575's runs 90, not side by side like yours was which is the same as a T/S gun. The 37 Expoxy boat with 525's also ran 90. The 37 with stock 500's runs right around 80 which is also true for the T/S Gun. The 525 Guns normally run 84-86 everyday. This is just from my experience, but not having owned them.

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3220963)

A 37OL with staggered 575's runs 90, not side by side like yours was which is the same as a T/S gun. The 37 Expoxy boat with 525's also ran 90. The 37 with stock 500's runs right around 80 which is also true for the T/S Gun. The 525 Guns normally run 84-86 everyday. This is just from my experience, but not having owned them.

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3220924)

Here's what Anna had to say about the haters...

Originally Posted by cowisl (Post 3220973)

Sorry, i meant non epoxy boats (trying to compare apples to apples) and side by side boats.

What does a 37' AT run for speed? Nor Tech 38'?

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 3221112)

37 AT with 525's will run 87-90mph

Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 3221140)

Man this thread hasn't really explained any of the differences other than some are built better than others, but nobody says why.

What is the difference in construction layup of each brand?

What is the difference in materials used for each brand?

Which one spins out easier?

Which one is easier to drive?


I kind of like the 37AT. Did I read something about this hull being a new apache hull at one point, but was "adopted" by AT. What is the story with the 37AT and Apache connection? Or am I just imagining things.

Originally Posted by fountain40icbm (Post 3220963)

A 37OL with staggered 575's runs 90, not side by side like yours was which is the same as a T/S gun. The 37 Expoxy boat with 525's also ran 90. The 37 with stock 500's runs right around 80 which is also true for the T/S Gun. The 525 Guns normally run 84-86 everyday. This is just from my experience, but not having owned them.

Originally Posted by wrinkleface (Post 3221130)

good friend of mine has a 37 up out of Petoskey w/ 496's & no special props & I think the best he has seen is 76 mph!

Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 3221140)

...I kind of like the 37AT. Did I read something about this hull being a new apache hull at one point, but was "adopted" by AT. What is the story with the 37AT and Apache connection? Or am I just imagining things.

Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3221184)

Scott has turned a best of 78mph with his 496HO 37AT. That's setup for everyday running with all the stuff aboard, not Fountain/Pamilco/performance report style.

Originally Posted by ktron (Post 3221191)

Getting to the main Question in Post#1:

39 Cig: Great all around boat especially hard to beat with Merc 700's. Classic lines and great looks. Kinda skimpy in the cabin but very well rigged, very well thought out helm especially when it comes to ergonomics, Above average performance and exceptional handling and rough water capability. Best resale of the three and in this tough economy they are still selling, slowly but still selling.

39Nortech: Talking with TS of NT I was told the 39 is a great boat. There are not as many around and I think that has to do with the economy and the fact that they have weird lines and not the most appealing looking boat. Great build quality and great company. Very nice cabins with more amenities than Cig and quality rigging. Not sure about the resale. I think it would depend on the specific boat and how it's set up.

37 OL: I have not been in one but a friend (Cowisl) has owned one and in several conversations with him I was told they are a great boat. Good performance and great in the Rough Stuff. Cabins are the nicest of the three by far. Big deep gunwales and roomy. Very nice lines as well. OL obviously has some of the coolest hardware out there and that speeks volumes. I would think resale for the 37 would be decent but not along the same lines as the Cig.

The statements I made about resale are based on many things but keep in mind that the Cig's are mostly Merc powered offerings where you are going to find more different combos in the NT and OL (like aftermarket power) which can hurt resale.

just my .02

Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3221324)

Best post on here! Honest (being an owner of a 39 TG) and to the point.

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3221336)

So what do you have to give for a new 39/700 NT?

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3220924)

Here's what Anna had to say about the haters...

Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 3221358)

I think you got busted on that edit. :lolhit:

Funny none the less.....