The last one I saw advertised was an 03..dont know of any being built in 04.. it was out west somewhere.. Ol was developing their 39' models.. I prefer the 37 all the way around vs OL 39..and the epoxy boats you can have them..

ok.. you have had both.. what do you prefer and why:grinser010:.. 38PP vs 37 OL..Thanks Jeff

They post all different numbers like acceleration; mid-range acceleration; RPM vs MPH; top-end; time to plane, fuel economy...I think it would be good to compare the boats based on all those aspects.

I received a PM asking what makes the hull ocean worthy and strong since the picture I posted only showed the fluff.

I found it a good question. And I don't get asked it often enough. The picture on the left is what is under the liner and in the nose of the boat. The one of the right is the engine bay.

Sorry it took a while to locate a picture. :drink:

+1

I have my opinion, both have run into the 120 range.. that would be John-Thundersone and John-Cant Touch This..I have never been in these boats at those speeds. Both great boats with similar power..

was the 2005 Quattro in powerboat the no displine boat because if it was that boat had tripple 525s

No Discipline did not have triple 525's. It was a staggered stock 525 boat that did hit 100 once or twice which is incredible for a very, very big 39ft boat with 525's. The boat that was in powerboat magazine was Marc Jameson's boat from NJ which also had 525's.

I would choose the manufacturer with the least amount of pending lawsuits :party-smiley-004:

Better off buying a moped:lolhit:

NADA shows the last year of the 37 Stilletto in 2005.

Hmm, love both boats. Lets do a little comparison:

Tooling/Mold work: Powerplay

Rigging: Tie->pp is pretty damn good

Interior fit & Finish: Outerlimits (close). All of the storage compartments had lights on our outerlimits.

Performance: Outerlimits

Rough Water Ride: Powerplay

Turning: Powerplay

Cabin Room: tie

Cockpit room: Tie

Driest Ride: Outerlimits

Cooler Size: Powerplay

For the type of boating we do, these two boats have more cockpit room then their competitors. Thats a big plus for us. you cant go wrong with either in my opinion. The Powerplay has a better rough water ride than our 37' did, but is a few mph slower.

Chris

They made 1 37 epoxy boat with 525's. It's a 2005, last 37 built, runs on St. Clair. Runs high 80's, 87+

Were both boats full stagger?

NO, both side by side. Bravo XR's. If you are in KW i would be happy to take you for a ride

that is about the best comparison I have ever read.. I agree, I would be proud to own either boat..

Epic Powerboats hopefully will bring back the 38 PP bottom with a different deck.. Thanks Again.

Oh wow. Thanks!

You also have to remember the 37OL is a 1993 design and its being compared to all these much newer boats. Thats something to say about the boat and design. Cowisl's Powerplay sure is a pretty boat!!

jazzman
Do you know if epic is working on a 38'

Today Brian Hollis..EPIC Power Yachts ..tested their 41 CC which is basically a stretched 38 PP bottom. With not the correct props, 7 guys and 200 gallon of fuel, they recorded a 75.4 speed. Tomorrow they are trying for 80. When i spoke with him at 5:15 I expressed a big interest in the 38 with a different deck. He said he would be working on this next. As to a time I cant give you a when, But I know depending on the final look of the boat, I know of many people interested in one. Jeff

Jeff
Thanks for the update, keep us posted on any new info.
Thanks, Steve

Is the 41 actually a stretched bottom, or just a molded outboard bracket?

Im enjoying this thread

Thank you.

Epic? Who is the typical buyer for an Epic?

Back on topic, the CIG TS TG will be faster than the 37' OL and the Powerplay with equal power. Does anyone have any pictures of a 38 TG or 38 Nor Tech cockpit ?

Cig 38 cockpit

I guess it depends what is important to you. In my opinion, of these three choices the 37 OL is the best all around boat. The 37 started production in 1993, and if you compare a mid or late 90's 38 TG to the same year 37 OL it is no contest. The cig's of that time were a much older design (straight bottom) and to me the styling, interior, etc. just looked dated- the 37 OL is a very modern shape and still looks great next to newer boats, especially with some updates. The fit and finish, even on the older OLs, is very impressive. The cabin of an OL which is most likely air conditioned, covered in ultra-leather, and finished with accent and mood lighting is a very nice place to be (and f##k). The TG, by comparison, is kinda like lounging on a picnic table.

37 OL is a much bigger boat than a 38 TG and is available with a lot of amenities that a TG probably won't have like enclosed head, A/C, heat, generator, etc. The cabin is huge, the cockpit is deep, and even the sunpad is big. Personally, I love the single step design of the 37- it handles great, crushes rough water, and some how still manages to be fast (82 with 500hp and bravos). To me it feels much more hooked up, sharp, and stable than some of the early twin-step designs.

I still love the cigs, I think all performance boaters do. I just like the 37 OL better.

Don't be afraid of a bravo boat unless you want to push big power. 500 or 525 with bravos can be a reliable package. To get 6's with Merc power you have to have 850s or 1075s (big $$$), if you get custom motors just be careful and make sure you know just exactly what you are getting. Don't buy a boat with big blower motors that the last owners cousin built in his basement just cause it has #6 drives.

Not so sure about that.

please we laugh at cig s racing in the 90s there one or two a yellow 42 rev buck it that got lapped so much in key west it was a joke and there was maybe one other 80 82 boat mightmare racing in d Ithink well it look good but they haven't won or raced every year since new, they were gone in the 90s came back and won one f2 lucky champ and not much more. there a nice boat if you like to swim going into turns on hot days. cigs a name DON MARKETED WELL and was about the last he worked on yes he had the usa cats 39/27 vees but he pushed cig name more than anyone owner. I've been in a nuff and on OLs and the 37 single step ol was a nice fast boat in 94 to 2000 and AT is one hell of a boat been in them too and I am sorry theres not a big diff between the two 37s and a 38tg you can pay for the name 600gs for a cig or buy a AT for 1/2 that will go anywhere a cig will go. theres been other posts and threads on northeast about whats up with cig guys someone buys a 20yr old boat and thinks it better than anythink else man. you want a rough water boat that won more races than a cig did inthe 70s/80s/90s call RICHIE SUTPHEN he will build you a new 39/40 with no steps to spin out on less money and faster if you want a clown inteior and paint job theres guys he can get. sutphen racing had to move race bodies last two years from one group cause they changed the class from p2 to sv to push out the sut cause it wasn't a full race boat it had a back seat and not a lid like all the other boats in p2 cause he kicked there azzs, so he goes to the other body and wins and at keywest the carpet bagger owner pushed him up a class a production boat running cats:grinser010:. NOW THERES A LEGEND SUTPHEN BOATS the real king of offshore:coolcowboy:. so please you cig guys get over it your not # 1 and have not been since 1970 what ever:grinser010: there a nice boat you pay for the name you want high tech buy a OUTERLIMITS or a 46 SKATER and be KING OF ALL:coolcowboy:. ps cig guys its all in fun hell I only owned a lil 650hp baja for 20yrs but loved kicken cig ass on cape cod back in the 90s ahh the looks on the faces coarse it was on days with 2 to 3s and even 4s once in a while. there was a friend who raced apba for yrs who was shocked about the lil boat in 3 to 4s one afternoon. so dude the ATs ride every well in any water had a lot of runs on a 33 running in the 90s that boat ran straight no chine walk even hitting wakes turned well too. lots of room in the 37 and 33 ATs theres 2 09 and 08 under 200 in the class, but sutphen is alpha dog of rough water vees non step, outerlimits its the skater of vees.

OL:coolcowboy:

NOW THATS A BIG RACE what 4 in that class, what happen the 1st thought a fountain/ol finish where were they in the 90s now that opa is running p or 400 class theres two cigs with blowers 38fters in p4 running against 28 to 30 single vees:party-smiley-004: cause in 300 class a 39 sutphen is killing again since the lids won't let him run in sv old 200 class and next yr there maybe a 31sutphen running 400 and a saber 28 looking to be 1 2:evilb:

Dons marketing again gee that famous black /white boat with the cig name wasn't even a cig hahaha boy talk about penis enveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haha. Don was very smart saw there was money big money in these new boats and was the chef that brought in talent to make these boats back then and then it was re splashed by ever new owner of the Co. Skip was the latest and is making hugh money by building old school tech no ovens there and charging what OL does for there new high tech. and then theres RICHIE same old school as cig BUT he has been there since day one so you have the same talent going into every sutphen no steps need just a design that works for 1/2 the money. boy I'm on a roll to night can't wait for the chit to fly my way all in fun.

Ok we get it; you don't like Cigs you think Sutphen is the best and you run a Baja and kick major azz congrats to you and i think this thread has now unequivocally proven that the major difference between the brands is that everyone uses Cig as a benchmark...CIG ENVY...:evilb:

BTW I don't think you ever answered the question about AT's racing; and BTW the POS pleasure Cig beat a new MTI canopy race boat in the Bimini run :evilb:

And Pyburn's Skater :evilb:

Deal with it

I look forward to the day you bring your Baja down to run Bimini.

[QUOTE=Jassman;3217035]anyone can comment on anything.. or take a captains comment's on a boat to be correct or false, who's to say he even knew how to drive that boat correctly.QUOTE]

Who's to say he didn't? There's an equal chance he knew EXACTLY what he was talking about. Just sayin'.

niceeeee steves #1 33 was a awesome boat man going to block island runs in 2s or 5s that boat never walked just flew level landed nice even with my knee replacement didn't hurt anymore then when walking. I hope my 28 saber runs as nice as the AT 28 that steve owned to:coolcowboy:. I was wondering about no full bulk in the cabin but saw the extra center are looks like mini roof stringers [center section of cabin ] steves 33 never notice any movement getting to the motors belts and water pumps is real nice. there a great boat thanks for the pics.

That is what it is all about. Always chasing the legend and trying to beat it any way you can. Ovens are for cookies. :D

Now that's some funny sh!t right there!

dude its retired after 20yrs I am putting a 1100hp saber 28 don't worry if I get a sponsor for the race I'll be there and I got beat in my baja by chasing sonic 36 with blowers , a formula famous one OUTLAW 35 with blowers after I had beatin a 27 formula he chased me done but that was with a 454 in the boat. hey I don't hate cigs there a good boat my fav is ICE s 89 new to him 38tg. I looked at a few last summer doc who had the purple twin 800hp boat with yellow , also a steal on a 35 cafe a friend bought instead. my needs are small its no fun runninhg in 6 to 8s in thing been there cape race in 02 didn't matter what boat you had something was breaking that day and did in all class mine my bolster and navigator was worried me running no bolster bounce around like a pimg pong ball even a sv fountain broke its hull. so you may see me haha it was fun in the 90s before steps pickin on the big boats. now at 28ft I can run 90 to 100 in 2 to 3s the only other boat to have fun in going over a 100 in 4 to 5s ios a skater 46 with turbines, riding shot gun in rough water they were not have as nice a ride as us. its funny the people I move to a old cig or new think there chit don't stink, but theres a lot of us just chuckle and let it ride.but the real #1 should be richie sr he never sold the company built boats before DON but built them not put the cooks together sell a few boats then sell the co and start the same boat over with a different name Donzi should have had the 1 they came 1st. but RICHIE built the pt boats 1st then went in to offshore and still beating other boat COs that went to stepped hulls which we see in videos cigs spinning out throwing there crew here down in fl and in russia haha.after you ride in walts 39 sut tell me there not it no beak no step no bull sutphen powerboats the real #1 in offshore racing they never had adds and tv bull like cig did in the 80s or 90s nope.I hope to be running new boat in weeks before my next surgery and if it sux it will be dis manteled I will talk to richie again haha, I tried steal the red hull he has ready now but we didn't agree and that new 31 will keep up with a 38 if its BOXER Ernies boat and with him driving will give as good a ride as any vee with in 5ft. later don't hate cigs its funnyhow some of you guys act its like the fountain guys of a few yes ago they were the fastest won most of the late races cause it was a 9 to1 average or all fountains in a class at the races reg blew his money with adds sponsorships which helps formula did that my bubby raced 5yrs in f2 broke a part the boats a 99, next was a 02 I think cause to get money you had to buy new boat every 3yrs and I saw what he paid they were a lot cheaper than regular customers or retail:grinser010: also I liked the spiderman 42 or 46 is sweet its up here and in there are others I like the #1 is was Dons think I wish he was still here I bet his boats would of been the fountain beaters of the late 90s 2000s and he would had steps long ago and been in ovens cause he put the best guys together when he OWN a Company look what happened with kramer sold the co started another and everyone followed like blind mice kramer lost money sold the Co back to a GREAT marketing man Don at a loss. he had to be the coolest chit. he's smiling right now going man almost 40yrs ago I put a #1 on the side of my boat and people are stilll paying for the name and # twice the money haha. its late storm is brewing and I RAN OUT OF BEER AND NO ONES OUT AT THE CAMPFIRE IN THE YARD anymore good night