What I'm getting at is you keep saying the Cig is sooo overpriced; so tell me what you'd have to pay for a new 39/700 NT...what's the difference in cost between the 39Cig, the 39NT and the OL41???

Hey this is America, make all the money you want building boats. What I have against Cig is the lack of updating and a sh!tter box in the middle of the cabin. Line up a 1988 Top Gun and a 2011 Top Gun and very few folks could outline any difference. I love Porsche 911's which by definition are a slow evolution but atleast they get improved with age.

I think a lot of boats are overpriced, (OL being one) but if you have the performance to back up the price then ask for all the money!

Ok, I got it. Wow, it really all comes down to the porta potty? no updates?? Poor performance??? :eek: I give. UNCLE: UNCLE: UNCLE. :lolhit:

Cig goes overboard on logos, #1 in that category. Straight line performance is excellent, turning needs a little fine tuning. Other builders are installing generators, a/c and upgraded cabins, Cig has the trusty Igloo cooler and spacious covergirl cabin. Have you ever seen the cooler on a 43/50Nortech? It is built in on the port wall, looks like a cabinet vs igloo and drains overboard. It is placed directly across from the enclosed head (that rivals the size of some NYC apartments) and the cooler probably holds 3X what the Cig igloo cooler does.

Igloo coolers, explosed hinge hatches belong on boats like a 25K Whaler not a 500K Cigarette. Cig is stuck in 1988. Not to pick on Cig solely, Fountain was stuck there too until they re-did their boats in 07-08.

PM203 says it best, not too many folks want to pay 500K for an 8ft beam boat you don't live aboard. So instead of new billet seat bases, Skip should hire some outside talent to freshen the cabin and potentially attract some new buyers or better yet bring back some buyers that have switched to other brands.

I agree. That 427 is one nice looking boat.

I was on my friends 39 running along side a skater a few years back when a jet ski cut across our path. Both boats were at high speeds. The 39 turned as if it were on rails!!! Just my experience

I really like the way that the cockpit is laid out on a new Cig, they do a great job. Although I would be a little concerned about somebody getting impaled on one of those gunwale grab handles, that design just makes no sense.

For me, I would have a hard time getting over the lack of a useable cabin in a Cig. The OL cabin is very luxurious, and for the kind of coin one of these boats cost that is what I want.

OL started building the 37 in 1993 and built it for like 8 years- to compare apples to apples you would have to look at the OL 37 vs. a mid 90's straight bottom 38 gun or an early design twin-step from 2000. Like I said, in my opinion theres is no contest. To compare the OL 37 to a 39 gun with 700's makes no sense.

Not everybody buys a boat for accomodations. There are plenty of 40 foot plus boats with not even a porti potti . What you are missing Jupiter is that people buy the Cig for the name, quality of build, looks and because it is their dream. As nice as Nortech's are, how many young kids dream about them? And, you said earlier that the 39 Topgun was best overall in its class. If you want a nicer cooler, Cig will build it for you. If you want a condo on the water, you are looking at the wrong boat. I personally don't like the Nortech dashes. It doesn't mean that the boat is bad, they just don't appeal to me. But, it might appeal to someone else, and obviously it does, because they are selling boats. But so is Cigarette, and Ol and so on. So, buy what you like, but don't hate Cig because of your deep rooted issues. :D

Ding, Ding, Ding we have a winner here. I left out the bed to put in an enclosed storage area and space for the head that in three years has never even been sat on. Last thing I want is a generator and a/c in the cabin; or a tv that's just going to break. Some buyers do and Cig will build the boat that way if thats what you want. As for the cooler its built-in on the the 39 but all I end up doing is putting a soft side inside the built-in. I think the portability makes more sense because when I'm done boating for the day I want to take my cold ones with me. Last pic shows the cooler (old OSO boat).

But Dude, where can Connie & I sleep in that!!!!!:evilb: & where do I put George?:party-smiley-004:

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Dude it's a performance boat not a houseboat. The benches are wide enuf to sleep on if you really had to...I just get a room. I have a house at LOTO and every FPC run we do has a destination with lodging. Except in the case of Holiday Isle where I'm not sure lodging is the right word. Stable might be more accurate...

Post an example....

Even when I had boats with sleepable accomodations, I always got a room. I don't know anyone who buys a 300K+ performance boat and sleeps on it . I mean, it sounds nice, but I just could never do it.

I hear ya with that. Unless I am completely sh*t-faced/hammered drunk, I do not like sleeping on a boat. I prefer a nice room.

Its called leave on a Friday evening to your favorite island, and come back Sunday morning.. Gen set, and all the comforts of home.. its actually a lot of fun.. especially when you have a few boats.. Big Camp Fire, music, grill out.. it dont get much better..:drink:

Actually, the normal v in the 39 is not bad 4 an overnight or 2! Connie & I "tested" that out at the Miami show, Downs was left w/ a cleanup in aisle 4!!!!!:evilb:

Great pics, is that your big cruiser or a friend's?

Fundamental difference in boat design. While the Cigs have, what I refer to, spartan and dated cabins, their fans say their customers don't want that. I don't know if they've ever asked, maybe not. The CIG logos, IMHO, are pretty distasteful, and completely insane. But if an owner wants to see the logo every three inches, so be it. Give me a 39 footer with a PP, and I'll hope it sinks. I personally think their cabins are a huge turnoff.


Maybe Cig "Assumes" their customers need things the same way for all these years. Who knows, but their owners obviously don't buy them for their cabins, and some only buy them for the name. Which is fine, it's a great name to have.

My guess? Things change at Cig the next few years, as Baby Boomers age, but still want a Cig, just with latest century stuff in it. I think many of the new boat makers get it.

Right, Cig was the pioneer of the oval logo. Better send Bill Ford a letter! :angry-smiley-038:

I thought that was glue from the headliner...:party-smiley-004::eek:





Just kidding, Everyone knows which boat i think the best is...We'll never live down the BAD batch of glue.
If you want a boat that looks good,rides good,runs good,Great Quality and great resale.....BUY A CIG:drink:

First I am not like a women with a memory full of every bad thing her man every did.

Second, I am not going to waste my time searching for example.

All the boats mentioned in this thread are great boats and have positives and negatives.

my .02

Well when you basically call someone a liar you should be able to back it up...just my .02.

What kind of boat do you own bro??

Todd

[QUOTE=Magic Medicine;3221877]First I am not like a women with a memory full of every bad thing her man every did.

Why did you have to turn this into a thread about my 1st wife.

[QUOTE=Enough 4 Play;3221965]Yip, I have 2 under the bridge!!!!, Damn, everybody is have'n fun on the playground & the fat kid rip's a off a big fart!!!!:eek::angry-smiley-038::evilb:

You expect anyone to believe in all the years that this site was existed that not one cig guy has ever called out another brand, Please.

[QUOTE=Enough 4 Play;3221965][QUOTE=wrinkleface;3221971]:evilb::evilb::evilb::evilb::evilb:

Just callin a spade a spade:evilb:

From post #139 Jupiter Sunsation wrote: "I still have a 32 Sunsation that I bought new in 04......."

No I expect you to prove it.

I could be wrong but didn't you have your boat for sale for a while. If so I would think you would understand that selling a large ticket item like a boat sometimes takes a while to find the right buyer. By the way I think Sunsation builds a very nice boat.

Wes

That new 36 XRT is pretty cool.

That explains why he writes what he writes...I understand now...

Todd

For someone interested in real differences, i test drove many.

39 outerlimites, rear seats are low, hard to see out of side of boat, need alot of plate, light runs very fast with less power, well built, really should go to the 42 for an outerlimits.

39 cig greate ride, heavyer, nothing bad to say, alot like the donzi i ended up with

Didn't drive the norteck

Donzi, sim to a cig, a bit lighter, i love the rear bolster seats, no complaints with mine runs great, built well, i like the covergirl type cabin you can actually use the space, toilet etc. it is fairly wide open vs having an enclosed balthroom

38 fountain, great running fast boat but not built quit as well as the others, fairly small boat in compairison, cabin is small hard to us the batheroom, would go to a 42 for a fountain

...............I'll take one of each please..............

The XRT boats have been a hit for Sunsation, I think they are too Star Trek like but they have sold a lot of 32's and a couple 36's.

So Todd in your opinion if I owned a $20,000, 25 year old Cig then my opinion would be more valid commenting on a new 39? Would owning a old Cig "make me understand." What common denominator does any old Cig have with a new one other than the logo? If you want to push the "legend of Aronow" then remember he sold the company 30+ years ago, the company has had multiple owners and bankruptcies/lawsuits etc. so whatever legend is there is very small and is shared with every other brand of boat he once manufactured. How many Cig employees from the "glory years" are still left there manufacturing the boats today?

I have stated before there are many virtues of the brand, but like Harley Davidson in the 80's if you don't evolve your customers will go elsewhere. How many Honda Goldwing owners do you think started with Harleys? How come the "other brands" sell boats to former owners of Cig? Under certain reasoning, once you own the legend there is nothing left to aspire to!

Yes Hideaway had my boat listed 2-3 years ago when they were a Sunsation dealer before Pierre got into trouble.

I understand the time to sell and hoped you saw my satire in that comment when comparing boats to Picassos.....:D

I really dont care about what happened to the multiple owners or workers 30 years ago...I know who builds them now for me(Lip-Ship) and I think I am in good hands!! I also know that deep down inside you probably want to own a Cigarette becuase they are what they are...period!! Everything out there is compared to a Cigarette one way or another...I am sure some of your buddy's that don't boat alot think that your sunsation is a Cigarette "type boat"... trust me, you will hear it everyday until you just own #1!

Todd

My thoughts exactly !

I went back and thought about how you jumped me on the TS thread. So I pulled this thread up in question. Man, you are so way out of line. I answered your question rather nicely on the next page of this thread. As to your comment above... I CALL BS. I was the boat in front of Randy's 38...it was my 43. Im the one who pulled Randy's boat in behind mine, cause he had no room to squeeze in to fuel up....and we pushed the 55 MTI forward, and then my 43 so Randy could be pulled in by me and MY buddy. That was the first time I met Randy, and he was a very nice guy..We were all thankful that we got gas that day, after we were told that we might not till the next day, cause they were out. For the record I never said such a statement..and then you guys pulled out before me..So lets hear it now...which Captain were you talking about. Jeff