The 33 powerplay with the 500efi was sold ,the boat sold quick when he lowered his price in the 30s,he had several buyers ,the powerplays have never been hard to sell if priced right and in nice shape

Boat #2 is real sharp, boat # 5 was the best deal my .02.

I was surprised it lasted for over a week at that price honestly. If it checked out that was a steal.

They're hard to find and people know they're a great boat. It's based of a Cobra hull which was a great hull back in the day. The PP will be faster with mild power than any Cafe and it's a better riding boat than the Cafe from what I've experienced!:coolcowboy:

If I owned a boat that was smaller than 30' I probably would have purchased a PP over my Apache. Back then I couldn't justify selling my panther for only a 3' jump so I went 6'. ;)

Anyway, two great boats in that range which are big enough to run the ocean and are economical, the 32' Hustler and 33' PP. But hey, what do I know!

Enjoy the search Bern!

Boat #2 would be my pick, but that Fountain looks really clean and is a fresh water boat.

i like #2 as well but out of my price range and wouldnt insult him

after numerous emails and phone calls i really need to look hard at the powerplays...have heard nothing but great things bout them and those things came from Cigarette, Apache, Fountain, and Outerlimits owners...am open to suggestions, so if anyone comes across anything interesting please feel free to let me know...thanks

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That's crazy talk.... the Bullet will go low 80"s and my Cfae runs 78 but it will do it 3-4's:drink:

They definately are not flat out speed demons but when it gets stirred up out there they seem to be out front.

i was in a 99 35 gun in solid 3's runnin 65 and it was effortless for sure

I've seen both Frank's Cafe and Kevin's bullet... both are very clean. The Cafe is an absolute looker, pictures do it no justice, but it's also priced a little higher than the others listed.

:drink: What everone is forgetting or may not know about the Bullet, its the only boat in the list that has a BJ chair! Thats right, A kings chair in the cabin notorious with Cig owners for it's "dual purpose". My Bullet could potentially have 3 Blowers on it at once! I dont see that listed in any of those adds! Hahaha...Good luck with your search. Their all nice boats, but if it comes down to money...then buy the cheapest "1".....:drink:

My .02...

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+1:bong:

That's the closest thing to a BJ emoticon I could find!

Oh, and for what it's worth, Kevin's Cig is damn clean in person.

Thanks Xconn! I remember you mentioned the BJ seat when lookin at my boat at Harbor Park. I can tell you pay attention to detail! Hey, hope to see you and the "crew" next summer.....

Ha... I've never been in a Bullet cabin, so I can't comment on the BJ chair, but the font V-birth of most performance boats, legs down, head back - that's some pretty comfy stuff right there!...

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How much bigger is the power though than 500 efi's?:drink:

It's funny that he is shopping and looking for nearly exactly what I'm thinking of in spring if I sell my boat, down to similar price range. The 33 is a nice compromise of speed and great ride, but a Cafe or Gun will be a bit nicer ride that takes more power/gas to get the speeds. I just want to cruise around 60 easily in any weather I'd see on St Clair and run 80 when I want.

A 32-35' anything is a perfect Lk. St. Clair boat. Anything bigger than that out there, unless you're using the extra space for sleeping or storage or a family or something, is a waste. I have a 32' Baja and love it. I'm in basically the same boat you're in though... I'm just looking to get a little bit newer and a hull that is of a little better quality (32' Hustler, 33 PP, 31 Bullet, 35 Cafe), and a little better power.

from what im finding to get a 35 cafe to run 80 it will take a true 600hp per side. a 31 bullet will do it with approx 575 a side

i would really like to compare the overall and cockpit size, ride, handling, perf etc...between the 31 n the 35.

Post this question in the Cig forum and you will get ALL the answers your lookin for.....

32' Hustler - HP500's = 85 mph
33' Powerplay - HP500 = 83 mph
31' Bullet - HP500's = 78-80 mph????
35' Cafe (flat bottom) - HP500's = 75 mph?

Rough numbers but I'm guessing they're pretty close.

cockpit and cabin

1. Hustler - most cabin headroom and good size.
2. PP/Cafe - cabins a similar in space
3. Cafe - biggest cockpit of them all, 2nd to the Bullet????
4. PP - smallest cockpit.

You are dead on Bernie.

the hustlers notched and the PP isnt, so it has about 3 feet less running surface than a PP.....dont know if the 31/35 cigs are notched

Frank... was Mike/Tommys hustler notched ?

The Bullet is notched and the Cafe is not.......

how do we figure the value between a pleasure boat vs an X race boat thats now been converted to a pleasure boat. the race boat was originally a staggered boat which has been converted to a side by side set-up. anyone ive ever dealt with figured an ex converted race boat to be worth 50-60 cents on the dollar compared to a pleasure use boat. for instance this 1996 full pleasure version http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...-Deck-97539166 vs this one which was an x b-class boat originally a staggered racer and converted to a side by side pleasure boat http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o32380-en.html

Those boats are dogs. Get you a nice 38 or 33 scarab avs and run 80 on stock 502 mags. Those old cigarettes will look nice in your rear view mirror.

Tex...a 38 is a little big for my needs, a 38 AVS is a low 70 mph boat w 502's and the 33 high 70's (been in them both). the 33 avs is a squirrley boat unless you get the Volvo DPX pkg, then it runs and rides like a dream. the 31 bullet may not be as fast as a 33 AVS but will drf out ride her in the rough as will a 35 cafe. the 33 powerplay seems to be the perfect blend of both but just tough to find 1 with bravo's and stock power

I would say this, it depends on what type of boating your lookin to do. If you want to do weekend trips and sleep on , ect...then go for the pleasure boat. BUT remember youll be sacrificing speed and performance. If your a weekend warrior type, bar to bar, or just day trips and like to really run the boat through the rough, x race boat would be more fun. The x race boats price depends on what has been done to it since it has been race. If your buying a boat in race trim, presently running poker runs, it may need some freshening. If the boat hasnt run races for years, has been all freshened, should be worth more.

true for sure. im a weekend warrior, local hot spots, 30-50 mile runs offshore, bay bombing etc. as far as the X race boat its not so much its current config as it is the abuse the hull, deck and stringers took during its racing career. kind of like a prefab house. if you buy one from the factory 50 miles away the joints only loosened so much...if you buy one from 300 miles way they have 6 times the wear n tear on um. yes anything can be re-rigged BUT the bulkheads n stringers n such cant be retightened ya know ? im ok with a solid 75 plus altho 80+ would be nice...main concern is not wanting to get to the inlet and have to turn around cause its to choppy, want a comfy cockpit with room for 4-5 peeps as well as a solid ride and dont want to have an issue re-selling in 2 years since thats about how long i keep my boats. had a 29 scarab w twin SB's ran low 70's, 30 spectre w 300's ran 105+, 35 fastec ran low 70's so have had a nice blend and everyone sold quick as they were well kept with no issues and priced accordingly

Yes, It was.

The Hustler is a little faster in the flat but the PP is a better riding boat in the rough, I've been on both. :drink:

The pro's and con's of both the Hustler and PP for "me" would be a coin toss.

The cost to run the PP and Huster was nearly identical to what it cost for me to run my 30' Scarab. However, the cost to run my 36' Apache and mike to run his 37' OL is nearly double. Unless it's stock power, the Cafe's cost of operation will be incramental IMHO... It doesn't seem like a lot but the Cafe is a much bigger boat and needs more power to run. My 36' Apache was designed to compete in the same market at the Cafe.:coolcowboy:

But hey, you're paying the money so I'd just get what you like! :)

I was dead set on an Apache or Top Gun, went with the Apache because the cabin blew away the TG and I knew I'd be building a family. :)

Well, Bernie, if you go for a ride on Franks Cig, youll find you can go out in ANY water. Cig is built solid and tough. His boat runs high 70's in bigger water than any 38 AVS w/ 502 Mags. He is sellin that boat for less than 1/2 of whats put in it. And its MINT! You seem like your tryin to queeze every last penny out of buying your next boat, but be careful, you may get what you pay for. Best resale value?......CIGARETTE.

Well if you say so then it must be true. Can you educate us all on this, your debth of knowledge I am sure will impress may of us. Cigs are heavy that is a fact, but so is the fact that they are unbelievable rough water boats. There are many boats that go right by me in flat water but as soon as it pics up they are long behind. I always love the Cigarette haters that constantly compare every boat to a Cigarette but then talk bad about them. I think Bernie should buy the boat that suits his needs. Some people could care less about being able to go out in any water others don't care about all out speed. That is why there are so many different ones to choose from. I am sure you like your boat and think it ride s great but it might be something that somebody else is not interested in. My .02

here we go again episode 38

I agree, cigarette makes a great rough water boat, almost as good as Apache.:evilb:

Agree - there is no denying the cigs aren't as fast as other brands but lets face facts - of the boats shown the Cig in CT is the most boat for the money and by far the best looking. You can go boating in any conditions, the owner has just sunk TONS into it, and it will prove timeless and resale will always be there. I wouldn't hesitate - whether your running 75 or 80 you are mid pack no matter what so who gives a **** about a couple MPH.

Also - The CIG comraderie is rivaled by few other Mfgs.

(Yes - I am one of those people that all out max speed isn't top priority)

can i get an amen !

no no NO DRAMA...looking for current owners of these models for facts not fiction or he said she said stuff.

its a connecticut thing, we had some "here we go again" threads that just became a bunch of bashing.