hello all...input/opinions needed
 

33 Powerplay w 500 efi's or 525's vs 31 Cig Bullet w 525sc's vs 35 Cig Cafe's

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o32113-en.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o36261-en.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o36104-en.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o19735-en.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o36122-en.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o34166-en.html

loooking for something up to 35 ft, 70/30 bay ocean use, $60k or less, as close to 80 mph as possible.

That 33 w/ 500 efi's looks like a steal. If it checks out I'd go with that for sure for that money. Leaves leftover budget for repairs/updgrades.

The Cig's posted probably won't get too close to 80 even with much bigger power.

The Teague powered Powerplay seems like a good deal for a 100 MPH boat ,plus spare drives. Make the guy an offer.

I take it you had a 29 scarab before...... A few things to think of before you make the big step.
1. Check insurance rates for what you are looking at,rates on the new boat might give you heart failure.
2. Have the boat that you decide on surveyed before you plunk any cash down.
3. Big horsepower does not equate to a reliable boat and blowers are asking for trouble unless you have 2 bags full of $100.00 dollar bills.....to rebuild them !
4. Go for the boat that you like the most and the one that looks like it has been taken care of...If the boats engine comp. looks like Rommel's Africa Corps. craped in it walk away..
5.Try and find a fresh water boat ,less problems if something breaks and you have to pull it apart.At least if you start with a fresh water boat and you put it in salt you know that you did it.

Good luck on your new toy.

Jim

Since that Scarab Bern's had a 35 Formula, a 30 Spectre cat and something else I think.

of the cigs, the cafe in CT would be the one. of the powerplays, either the one with 500 efi's or the 95 with the small blowers.

Boat # 2 would be my choice out of the list u put up.

Just my 2 cents Bern.

Agree - Frank's Cafe (CT) is what I would be going after.

Cafe's can take the ocean that is for sure, and they are fairly timeless.

This one used to pass us in the 1000 Islands. Very clean and fast. All the boats you listed are nice in my opinion and maybe you are not into Fountains. May be something to look at though.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o36100-en.html

Very clean...

This is what you want, and is not far from your price range. Everything is new (except for the hull).

My Old Bullet ran 78 with 540 HP

33' Powerplay with semi-stock 500hp's - no doubt.

Blower motors = headache!

Give the rwb cig a good look. I know the dealer that gas it, as well as the prior owner of the boat. It was a fresh water boat from erie. Updated a bit and very well maintained.

FYI- I think in mid-94 Powerplay redid the hulls a bit and deepened the cockpit/gunnels. I'd lean towards the '95 for that reason.

In 94 We did the new hull mold with raised freeboard.

yeah the teague boat maybe older but rigged by a pro, the other 500 efi boat is nice to but in a year or two you will need to rebuild them and drives to be safe, any motor over 400 hours is do black or blue for a freshen up if its mine. but # 4s are a nice drive and going a 100 is fun once in a while. going back to the other boats there big heavy boats with 500 hp plus with bravo drives:eek:,, didn't see xr anywhere thats another plus for the #4 drive boat. the cigs do look nice also are bigger and seem to have low motor hours. power play 33 is a favorite hull of mine with Saber and Sutphen more custom not a lot for sale. have fun there all nice boats

not when built right teagues been around for a while and the#4s over a couple of inches in freeboard even if its 6 inches. I bet the older rides more solid with the 4s in rough water too. sounds like it was set up in a thread I saw last week and now that I think about it it has a deeper cockpit cause of gas tank placement and baslance there was a post on it somewhere. maybe saddle tanks instead of in the cockpit floor.

my boat is the one with the deeper cockpit because it has saddle tanks.

thats it, its for sale too right, I looked back at the #4 boat didn't see a stagger either which would help with saddle tanks don't you have a stagger in yours? always liked the 33 there was one out of boston that went out with us once think it was a 3 manit eat up the rough out in cape cod bay when it was kicken up one day. all listed are nice just the one with 290 plus hours on stock drives and motors is going to need rebuilds soon if the drives don't break sooner.

Bern, I didn't check all the links but I'd go with a mildly powered Powerplay hands down for looks, speed and reliability.

A friend used to own a 33' with Bravo's and a pair of 650 hp 540's, the boat was Reliable and Fast. It handled the rough water better than a lot of boats that are bigger. My friend Billy also owns a 28' PP and runs with us on the ocean and he can pretty much hang in there with the rest of us who have much bigger boats.

That size range is just big enough to run the ocean but small enough to run mild power and still have good speed and reliability in my opinion.

Frank

Would consider this boat too...looks to be well maintained.

33 AVS Scarab is a good running boat as well

love the boat bro, but few things that concern me are resale, as its not as well as known of a boat as PP or Cig, and the additional $10k

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o32113-en.html

thoughts on the prochargers ? is this Franks boat ?

also ive been told speedmaster parts are getting scarce

which are you referring to bro

I understand. You get what you pay for, or sometimes you get more that you what you expected (in this case) if you buy the Phantom (more meaning beneficial, not headaches). Either way I wish you the best in your search for a boat.

At least with the Phantom just about everything is new or almost new, on the boat and trailer. The motors (540cu.in EFI) probably have less than 12 hours of total run time. Yes, Phantoms are not a well-known brand of pleasure boats, but well-known in the race boat crowd being and a proven consisten winner with the SVL (30' Phantom), and Simmons Marine (34' Phantom), and the 39' raceboats.

I love Cigarettes and PP, but there is absolutely no comparison when it comes to performance in the Phantom and the other brands you are considering, it is night and day.

ProChargers = KABOOM!

SSM #4's = has them on my Outerlimits and that was 6yrs ago and parts were very hard to come by then

Just my opinion.
If you want reliability, you know the deal 500/525 and no blowers.
Also, if concerned about resale, Cigarette has the better name, nothing against PP because they build an awesome boat and are well respected in the offshore community but.....I know what it was like selling my Kryptonite, everyone loved it but no-one outside our circle knew what it was and tried comparing it to a Cig, Fountain, Baja, etc.

I like the 93 cafe, but for $60K I think you can get into a 38 top gun or a nice 38 scarab.

That redone `93 Cafe sure looks beautiful!

I know the PP is a nice boat, but you also know how strongly I feel about brand names. Cig's always turn faster than PP's.

Beautiful boat but you could be looing at YEARS to re-sell it

You'll need 1-200 more HP per side in the Cafe to run the same speed as the PP and the PP is much easier on Bravo's.

The one that Sportboats Marine has. John and Tim are both straight shooters and will treat you right....:drink:

That 93 Cigarette is a beautiful boat!

Berns, how long do you plan on owning your next boat for? If it is more than 3-4 years I would tend to think that you would see less depreciation, higher re-sale value, and quicker sales out of the Cigs, and that 1993 35' is absolutely awesome.

DollaBill,

You are correct in your assesment. When my father bought the Phantom he was looking for a 34' Phantom. So it is truly a specialized buyer. We just (it is my mother's boat) won't give it away at a firesale price, so if it does not sell we keep it. At this time there is not a sense of urgency, but is priced lower than $69K, it runs 92+ mph, runs on 87/89 octane, no blowers, everything is new, garage kept, ect.

Bernie will find a good boat, he seems to buy a boat every couple of years. And you cannot go wrong with Cigarette (I like Cigarettes). Hopefully if my mother truly wants it gone, then it will not be years before it sells, and as of now, my money is tied up, and my law practice has just re-started. I wish I could buy it for the price she is asking. Time will tell.

Stephen

Again, not saying it's a bad boat, just as you say, very specialized. Actually one of the FEW boats I have not spent time in.

As for Bernies boat, when he does find it I'll be sitting next to him burning gas to Tices ;)

I would imagine the depreciation on the $38K PP 33 w/ 500's will not be greater than any of the Cig's listed here.

My next boat will likely be a PP 33, or a Top Gun if I can swing one. The Cafe's don't run near as fast a 33 with similar power, and even the Top Gun is quicker. Plus I like the looks of a straight fairing better personally.

As to brand recognition.....sure a Cig has a bigger market, but you are also competing with a much bigger pool when selling. I've just mentioned I might sell my PP next spring, and have been contacted by 3 or so people asking about it. So I think the odd's of selling either comes down to price and condition for either brand.