Mlitefan...I don't get it...?...IP's...Did OSO track this guy down for powerplay...or did they figure it out themselves....?....

sc, it sounded to me like Bosco did the tracking down...and OSO suspended those ids until they could do their own investigtion...

as the prop turns...

as the prop turns....

I like it..
:D :D :D

Super...I would bet that one would be answered by the Lawyers!:p

All I was saying is that it would be very easy to get the evidence they needed....VERY easy...;)

I would guess they had a pretty good suspicion and then got the proof they needed...but that is just a guess...

Troutly - Don't like popcorn, gets stuck in my teeth. Got any maltballs?:D

Troutly, you crack me up! Those look soooo gooood! (hard to spell like Homer sounds:D )

Hey Troutly, add this to your collection :) LOL

OSO
 

I'm looking for guidence here OSO. Does the evidence look convincing?

If so. I would be very disappointed in AT.

Powerplay, look at the bright side... they find you product so good that they had to resort to these mesures to decrease your sales. Now, whenever I see an Active Thunder I'm going to think about this. And you know it will be beerside chatter for a while.



"The best revenge is smokin their ass out on the water"

Maximus

LOL Troutly!!! :D

Like Fever Mike said, it's pretty simple...when you peak under the hood of the internet and know WHAT to look for, there is a wealth of information there...;)

ASS-U ME...MAN I hate when that happens!:p

Time for a rendition of "caught in a trap"

:D :D :D

JUST GOES TO SHOW YA!
DON'T F WITH THE BOYZ AT POWERPLAY!!!!! :D :cool:

Posted a reply from SteveW on the AT forum.

SUPERCRASH--- Steve W. is not an exceptable name since I don't want anyone that knows me to confuse me with that low life.

Steven Whitbeck

Wonder why he posted his reply in the AT section ?? Did he raly think all the AT guys would stand behind that kind of Buss.?


I Dont Think So !!!!!:mad:

This guy has problems!!! Check out this thread, most will remember it. He makes replys under 3 diff. names. Or due a search on the screen names Bosco listed and see what else he has been saying.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forum/sh...light=whatdoin

I can assure you that I do not back or agree with what Steve did. How could I. But, I still am not ashamed of my purchase, nor I am dissapointed in AT. Am I disapointed in Steve W., yes, Active Thunder not really. If you remember a thread about a month ago, some OSO members jumped all over my back about my statement that I can not control what my employees do 100 percent of the time. I would be fooling myself if I beleived that. Now if it was Pat who was posting this or was aware of what Steve was posting it would be a different story. This is my opinion, and it would be the same if it was another company. As a matter of fact, there was a rep of another company who did some unscrupulious things, did it affect my opinion of the person, absolutely, the company he was employed by NO.

Too Old,

As the owner of my own company i could not agree more with you. The buck always stops at me. And yes, i find myself apologizing for my employees actions or lack of action, and hope that i can make that customer or customer know and hopefully realize that my company is much more than the actions of one emloyee.

I am sure that the owner PAT, understands the implications of this one employee's actions, and I hope that he will do what he feels is necessary to rectify or make good on this incident.

AHHHH, the joy of being your own boss, the head honcho.:D

As someone with no vested intrest, or inside information, I can tell you just from reading the posts before I found this out, made me think that something was wrong with PP, and just that unsubstatiated rumor made me think badly about the company, though it only was in my mind. Just goes to show what bad mouthing can do even without any evidence. It is like just being guilty of a crime in the past, because someone says you are. Everyone hears about that, but most folks don't hear when someone is cleared or was never charged. This kind of thing really chaps my azz!

Now where the hell are the jujubees?

Let's see if AT Pat has the same cojones as PP Dan? If I were Pat right know I would get on my computer and start typing and eat alot of crow becaues of my SORRY ASS EMPLOYEE! Apologies go a very long way. Everybody respects a man that can say I fd up.:cool:

I can remember back in 1997 when I bought 1 of the 1st 32 foot A/T's built in Florida. At the time when A/T was starting out they had several employee's from Powerplay and thought the world of them. Even back in 1997 there was always a standing joke about PowerPlay that swirled aroung the A/T plant. But funny as it's seem's the very people that make the A/T and also Promote it used to work for the very people that they are now bad mouthing. The Florida boating industry is a small tight nit family so watch what you say because some day you might be working for the very people your discussing today.

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE.

Pat from Active Thunder replied under the Thunderousdaze reply thread on the Active Thunder forum. Here is the link.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forum/sh...threadid=24267

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT THREAD OUT.

Hey ThunderDan!
That's LAME! He needs to post it on this thread!:cool:

I agree its lame that he wont post in the general forum. Maybe its because he does not have all the facts yet. That would be his only excuse because I didnt buy Steve's or whatever his name is explanation.

HERE IS THE PROBLEM:
He is acting like he did nothing but offer his opinion when in fact he started a negitive post and then chimed in under different names to support his position. This is about as decietful as you can get. Its even more wrong because he is employed by AT and believes he will gain financially for the deception. This is low down dirty salesman tricks at their worst. Whats even more disturbing is that the owner of AT hasnt been more firm about him on this board. Heck the guy wont even post a response on the general forum. Every organization will have bad employees from time to time. Its the way the company deals with the problem thats really important. You would think the AT ownership would handle this differently.

Ron,

Fountain and Scarab owner with no affilation with anyone in the boat business.

Personally if I were buying a boat from AT, I would hope the owner of the company was WAY to busy building boats than to know the in's and out's of the OSO board.
All I am saying is perhaps he posted there because that is where Steve W. posted his reply, which I agree wasn't much of a reply. Very disappointing.:mad:
As stated above, I guess the only thing for "us" to do is to see how the owner of A/T handles all this. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. Not a good scene.




BTW: Again with the disclaimer. I am in NO way affiliated with either of the interested parties nor the OSO board (other than a member obviously), and in fact own an eliminator, so I have nothing to gain.:D

I have been a long time customer of PowerPlay, since 1994, I am having a 38' built as we speak! Over the last year I've I have watched this thing unfold with all the screen names of Steve from ACTIVE THUNDER. Steve (using other screen names) has personlly attacked me for my choice in PP and my decision to continue building our new 38'. This has caused a great deal of friction with PowerPlay and myself because I have followed up on some of the allegations with Dan & John. All along I've stated that I would not "carry someone elses water", PP needs to defend themself. At the same time I also stated that I would not slam another boat manufacture or a customer choice of product and I am not about to start now! BUT,
This brings me to why I am responding to this sad situation. I have read both Steve's & ACTIVE THUNDER (Pat's) response! They both fall short of offering explanation let alone an apology! For Steve to say he has issues with PP is not enough, in posts with one of Steve alias (Supercharger) it was all attack with no facts, I asked at the time give facts. He did not, that is just one example. If you go back and read the treads in question Steve was having conversations with himself (using 3 or 4 different names) to SLANDER PowerPlay. This is MALICIOUS! I have heard great things about Pat and what a stand up guy he is! BUT, to post a responce on the ACTIVE THUNDER forum and not on this thread is disingenuous if not out right avioding the situation.
What Pat does with Steve is his problem, but to blame OSO for letting him back on the forum is unbelievable! Nothing short of 100% responsiblity for your actions (Steve) and 100% responsiblity for your employee's action (Pat) with no excuses is just for starters.
I personally have e-mails from ThunderousDaze (Steve) that are Malicious and Slanders to PowerPlay, I find them totally inappropriate. I'm a big boy, I can deal with that, BUT there has been real damage from this SLANDER. The men & women that work for PowerPlay have suffer through this. They have familys to take care of, food to put on their tables, kids in school and life in general. Their quality of life is tied to how well PP is doing, there has been posts from some that only know PP & AT from these threads and they stated they would not buy a PowerPlay due to this info. Nothing short of MALICIOUS! ACTIVE THUNDER (Pat) And ACTIVE THUNDER sales manger (Steve) owe everyone on OSO an apology on a new thread named "Apology from ACTIVE THUNDER" but most importantily written apologys to every empoyee at PowerPlay!!!

If Pat or Steve has issues with anything I've said I can be reached @ 812-2566624
Robbie

I think somebody is lucky that somebody doesn't drive over to sombodys place and start kicking somebodys ass.:rolleyes:

Rereading Pat's post that I felt did not address the issues I have come to the conclusion that he probably does not know the depth of the situation. His employee has probably not owned up to everything he did. He probably told him he was supporting the product under a different name and left it at that. If Pat is busy it may be a while before he has time to search for all of the names Steve used and read all of the posts to get a better idea of what went wrong.

Ron

DEFY'N GRAVITY

HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD.STEVE WAS F*** WITH PEOPLES
LIVELY HOOD.YOU JUST HOPE SOMEONE AT P/P DOSN'T TAKE
MATTERS INTO THIER OWN HANDS.AND PAY HIM A VISIT.
BOTH PARTIES INVOLVED NEED TO SETTLE THIS FAST. AND GET ON
WITH BUISNESS.I DONT KNOW IF A SIMPLE SORRY WILL DO?

What an unfortunate situation. I have to say that after all that has happened, I will be thinking twice about considering either company's boats in the near future. And, I am in the market for a 32-38 footer very soon. What a shame it is when people have to resort to badmouthing competitors in order to achieve better standing in the marketplace. The bottom line is that these company's should let the product do the talking. Hopefully both companies can move forward in a positive direction and learn from this situation.

Hey HP-J,
Don't let this situation turn you away from the Powerplay name.
I to have dealings with Powerplay on a regular basis. I also live
in the melting pot of performance boating and deal with most of the boat builders on a parts dept basis. Trust me dealing with
Powerplay is very stress free. (from my point of view) Dealing with alot of other boat builders in our area is not. Lying is second nature, selling the same boat 1 2 or even 3 times is a regular accurance. Writing bad checks knowing there isn't a dime in the bank. I can go on and on. It's not only that it is a very beautiful well built product, The main reason why you should consider one is that you feel very very safe and secure in the 33 Sport Deck or 33 Center Console. I have many hours of ride time in both with many different people on the sticks. :cool:

INTEGRITY\In*teg"ri*ty\, n. [L. integritas: cf. F.
int['e]grit['e].

1. Moral soundness; honesty; freedom from corrupting
influence or motive; -- used especially with reference to
the fulfillment of contracts, the discharge of agencies,
trusts, and the like; uprightness; rectitude.

Some people have it, some people don't.

Shane

HP-J,
I agree with the last couple of posts, both boat builders build great boats in the size range you are interested in. You would be selling your self short if you did not look at BOTH PowerPlay and Active Thunder.
But what this one individual has done is damaged BOTH companys and affected BOTH companys employees. There is no excuse for Steve's actions, this is SLANDER and done with MALICIOUS intent! Why am I MAD, because I'm a CUSTOMER and this has had an effect on my boat building experience. Anyone that thinks custom boats are built overnight is fooling themself, it is a long process to building a made to order custom boat!
One of the negative aspects of Offshore Only is exactly what happen in this sad affair, someone with an axe to grind hiding behind there screen name (NAMES) damaging someone else. HP-J your reaction to the above situation is the outcome, it is the desired consequence that Steve set out to accomplish. You take the economy after 9-11 and couple it with this and now you know why this is so serious. How many boat deals for PowerPlay have gone south due to this crap? I apology for using your name in this response but I used it to hightlight the very real damage that this cowardly action has caused, not just Powerplay, Active Thunder also. Active Thunder builds a great boat, look at the feedback that people have given them, but now you are not interested in an Active Thunder. That is the real loss in this whole bag of sh*t! Two great boats that a potential buyer wants nothing to do with!
The performance boat industry does not need b*llsh*t like this, I hope that you guys can police this crap so customers can feel better about the process. Again the stand up thing to do is a very public apology from Pat @ ACTIVE THUNDER and Steve the ACTIVE THUNDER SALE MANGER without excuses both on OSO and writen apologys to the employees at PowerPlay! The ball is in Active Thunders ballcourt

Robbie

What a sad situation..........I will not support AT due to this & will tell all of my boating associates in Canada of this thread ...too bad, Pat sent me an email, video, etc they had definately made the short list up until now! Apology definately required, and employee accountabilty required!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Hello Pat are you out there?
The soap box is vacant, I suggest you jump in and make it happen!:cool:

So was this happening when he was using the computers at Active Thunder?
If not, why is everyone grilling Pat for something that one of his employee's is doing on his own time? I mean come on. I am not saying it looks good for the company, but can all of you control your employee's? Are you responsible for what they do on their own time?
Ok now lets say he was doing this from Active Thunder, how many of you all work for a company (and surf OSO)? Does your company know you surf the net? Are they liable for what you are doing on the net while you are at work? See where I am going here?
Anyway, I think Steve is a big boy and can take the rap for himself on this one.

Just my .02 and I cant afford a boat from either company:D

Once again Pat has chosen to post his reply in the AT forum. He says its his last post on the subject. He doesnt even acknowledge the discussion on this forum. He even says he didnt see any slander or malious content in his employees posts. I wonder if he has read all of the posts. You would think he would reply in the main forum that gets more traffic instead on the AT forum. It seems he feels slighted by OSO.

Pat's Position

Ron

NOW ALL THE Active Thunder cheer leaders need to take a hike!

:confused: What??