Hey Blume and dealers - ACV on an 02 25 Baja
 

And any other dealers who don't mind throwing out some real numbers..

I say ACV on an '02 Baja 25 is 10K. The Baja guys are calling me nuts and say I'm off by 10-20k additional (LOL). Anyone have an opinion?

what motor and hours?

NADA on line..............FOR A 2002 25' Baja Outlaw:

TOTAL PRICE NEW RETAIL $65,156, LOW RETAIL $15,775, AVERAGE RETAIL $18,545

Dealer ACV could easily be $10,000.00 to $12,000.00 for a low hour clean freshwater boat, lower for hours and saltwater.

Bill, explain what ACV means to you. Not asking about the 02 25 Outlaw, just ACV in general.

(Must be winter already in OSO land! :drink:)

ACTUAL Cash VALUE

:coolcowboy:

ACV= Actual Cash Value

Its the the real price a dealer is giving on the trade, not necessarily the inflated trade allowance that is on paper.

But Bill the boat has to be worth more than 10K, they owe 38K! :D

Too many selling prices are dictated by loan payoffs, on all brands not just Baja. Factor in a few negative equity trades along the way and the last boat is usually the one that is WAY upside down......

ACV is what the dealer values the boat/trade at. The paperwork can show 30K, the new boat is 90K but in reality the trade is 10K and the boat is 70K, the extra 20K makes the deal happen because the buyer thinks he/she is getting all the money on their trade and they don't have a real understanding of what the new boat really costs.

It's Actual Cash Value. It's the real number a dealer puts on your trade. It's a number that I can get for that piece of inventory in 24 hrs time. Period

Example

You want to buy a boat thats new. It's list is $100,000. Invoice (cost) is 25% off that or $75,000. Dealer wants to make 15% on the new boat (really 17% is avg goal). Therefore he wants $86,206 for the new boat.

Your trade ACV is 10,000. You want 15,000. Your ACV NEVER changes, only the gross on the new boat (if you're a dealer who wants to stay in business LOL). He'll SHOW you 15,000 on your boat and either add the 5K negative equity you have to the purchase price or let the new boat go cheaper. But ACV never changes. It's like a commandment. Written in stone

Agreed

This has been all over the place. I think the point is what can a non dealer get the boat for?
Not the price a dealer will give you on trade in, just what a person could sell it go another person that is NOT looking to flip it.

+1

Just read the new posts, I understand but again I think what the Baja guys are saying is that a person can't buy a boat for ACV.

I assume anyway.

Fair enough. I'd say the boats are 19,900 to 25 retail.

I bet they could in today's boat market and the fact it is winter storage time for 3/4 of the country right now.

Bill offer 15k that would be a nice boat for you.

All I can tell you is that when Dollabill delivers my 2002 25 Outlaw for $10k he's my new best friend and rides for free! :drink:

Thanks,

Don't think anyone could diagree with that but its OSO so I am sure someone will.

Here's a 1998 25 Outlaw that sold November 25, 2010 for $19,500. Wouldnt that be a little high for the year and the season?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-...item2eb16d8a61

It's really tough to pinpoint a number after 5-7 years but a '98 at 19,500 would def justify an '02 at 23ish....

Look at the bid history, the two final bidders had a feedback of 7 and 0, combine this with a seller with a 4 feedback and I would be stunned if this boat actually changed hands. :eek:

So a 2010 26 OL would be worth $31K not ACV based on above math?

I don't understand? 31k not acv? Is the boat used or new?

used

whats MSRP on the boat? sticker? do you know?

not really, it just shows that someone payed to much.

LOL. I'm trying to be nice buddy. Crack me up. Hope you had a nice Holiday. Tell Josh I said hi

oh winter time....

better yet what is ACV on suppodesly the best OSO boat for sale right now...the red 35 motion

bottom line is Joe Blow off the street is not going to buy a 02 25 outlaw for 10k unless it has holes in the bottom and doesnt run the guy off the street doesnt care what the dealer will give you for it he only cares what he can buy it for and 10k aint going to happen

Hey Blume...I'm trying to figure out if there is geographical differences that is making the numbers different, but when I go to NADA.com, it shows that low retail is 19630, and ave is 22,340. That jives with what my book says too. Heck it even says that used trade-in is $19K.

I'm confused. Different motor selected maybe?

Thanks!

I dont really understand this I have a Sea Ray listed on ebay and only a 7 score and bidders are score from 1 to ???
the reserve is almost reached and I will let it go if it does hit the reserve which is far less than NADA.
Look under 370 Sea Ray auction ends tomorrow
Thanks Jim

also if it sells I guess that will be acv

Is this boat stolen or need special services? :D

There are big diff's in the prices geographically depending on the boat. An example would be a DCB. If it's worth 80,000 in the Havasu market it's worth 60ish in Miami

Well Bill, Just compare it to a Concept and it will be worth 25% more!:evilb::grinser010:

Ditto :drink: and that 0 bidder was there to push the $ higher and hope someone would chase it

whats the reserve at BIG Daddy ???

Yeah, I understand that in reality, geography makes a difference, but wasn't aware that NADA.com is factoring that in as well. The only reason that made me think this, is that my hard copy "book" matches what NADA.com comes up with. I guess it's always possible that the paper version has geographic versions too.

Cheers!

~ $105,000

I agree with that 100%. Everytime I find what appears to be a smoking deal, its a boat out of Florida with saltwater & sun damage. And Im not sure if Ive ever seen a DCB on Lake Erie.

that motion is an awesome boat for sure ! and i think its the best deal on the market right now