Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3273846)

You know you guys are screwin up Jay dont you !!!

When two of his buds get into an argument on here he cant run to photoshop and favour us with a pic of something coming out of someones head.:lolhit::lolhit:

Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3273065)

Cig has great history, #1 and everything but hasn't really evolved as a manufacturer and it has hurt their retention rates. They haven't come up with a new performance boat in years and the amenities on board are stuck in 1988. NT/OL/others are capturing the market when Cig owners want more or like in this thread want a change (Ilmor power).

NT has probably built more large performance cats (36 ft+) in the last 8-10 years than anyone. They have a perfect all around package, so while they don't race and don't always have the fastest they still are at the top of their game.

Plus they have rockstar customer service which no doubt helps retain customers. Have you ever heard a bad C.S. story about them? How many times have people noted that Terry and the NT gang went out of their way to help even when they are a non-NT client? NT even takes boats back for remodeling of paint/interior/power yet Cig is hard pressed to get you anything once the boat is 2-3 years old (Phil excluded from this comparison of course).

I suspect NT/OL would build you any boat you want with Ilmor power and even throw in an enclosed head rather than a sh!tter box in the middle of an 80's vinyl coated cabin with an igloo cooler strapped down in the corner (of course w/logos on everything!). :D

When it comes to spending 500K on a 40 ft boat you put 100 hours a year on and can't sleep on a lot of things matter other than the logo on the side........

Originally Posted by wrinkleface (Post 3273902)

Pat did get me out 4 a nice sea trial,C AT forum!! Appreciated the ride! Could not pull off the Cig ride, some stuff fell apart!!

Originally Posted by Jassman (Post 3274150)

Even though we wear the pants in the family, its our lady who tells us which one to put on..:grinser010: Good Luck fella:drink:. JJ

Originally Posted by wrinkleface (Post 3274159)

Connie can give me 1 earth shattering look when she wants 2!!!!! Thanx Dude!!!:party-smiley-004::evilb:

Originally Posted by Jassman (Post 3274150)

All CIGs handle rough water well, just can't comment on this. Good Luck fella:drink:. JJ

Originally Posted by Ona-Mission (Post 3273937)

I completely agree with most everything said here, however i would like to think outloud for just a minute. It seems like Cig has tried to change things up (bullet, cafe, gladiator, etc) but they just don't stay in the lineup. Is it margin or that Cig buyers want the classic Cig look? Can Cig successfully sell a boat that may not look like a cigarette? They are in a unique position then most builders because of the history of Cig. Cig Buyers are buying that history. I was talking to a buddy to day infact and found ti funny on Cigs web site the line "if you've seen one, thats all you've seen. Its at the point that when you have seen one you have seen a hundred just different paint, and interior colors. I'm not trying to start and argument here just something to think about.

Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3274554)

You keep talking this kind of crazytalk and Skip and the Ciggy boys might revoke your membership in the Cig club! :D
Blasphemy doesn't go over well with the Cig guys! :drink:

Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3274585)

Don't get a woody...he said "most" not "all". :kiss: