new boat/engine drive combo??????
 

if U where considering a new boat & wanted 2 put Ilmors/Indy's in it as opposed 2 "OLD Blue" but the manufacturer has not done that application, would U do it or would U B concerned???

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I wouldn't. Let someone else be the guinea pig.

I would go to arneson drives.

Nice chat'n w/ ya comrade!!!:coolcowboy:

Buy the hull you like and have someone else rig it.

Cigarette???

I was told they will not do Ilmors!

Nope. They will not.:drink:

C, I remember some stuff in my old age!!:evilb:

Thats why I said it because they wont and thats kind of what your post is insinuating. I think it depends on the manufacture. Who is it? I would go Ilmore without hesitation. There's not that much difference.

I rigged an Ilmor 725/Indy package into a 28' Batboat, and Ilmor provided everything they possibly could.

The Indy package is intended to be a direct replacement for 700/NXT packages, with the same setback, prop-to-crank height, and almost identical transom cutout and stud patterns. They have all the jigs and fixtures to make things come out right, and their factory support is second to none. Even though I had had no problems, they sent me an updated transmission and intake manifold top at no charge.

Call them and ask for Ian Hawkins.

I would tell them to build the hull and deck only and get someone else to rig the Ilmors. If Braver won't agree to that, find a nice used Cig and do the swap yourself.

Wrinkle,

You are more than welcome to contact me about my Ilmor Experience. All positive but I understand your dilemna if going the Cig route. I wanna believe they can only be ordered w/ Merc power.

Michael
704-905-0086

Actually there is......Sunsation has built two Ilmor boats, a 28 w/625 and an F4 w/725s and indy drives. On the F4 project they were very concerned about shifting the CG due to lack of weight at the stern. The Ilmor package was significantly lighter than the Merc 700 package. They built the boat as a poker run boat with no cabin features the other F4's had (head, v-berth, couches etc) to keep the boat's CG even. The cabin is essentially carpet lined with a couple of thin cushions in the v-berth.

The boat is beautiful and has done several poker runs including KW 2010. It is in the OSO classifieds w/Doller Marine as the dealer. In the end the boat was not faster than the Merc 700's despite being lighter but it burns 30% less fuel at WFO.

I believe the hull needs to be built with any weight changes in the bilge in mind so the steps perform correctly.

If Wrink goes from a NT to a Cig I would be shocked. I can't recall it happening in that order too often but it is common the other way around......:D

And from a 43 to a 39 no less...makes perfect sense; he wants more performance without sacrificing ride quality.

Curious, EXACTLY how many ex-Cig owners do you know that now have Nor-Tech V's? Can you actually name one?

What's the take on the Indy Drives; how have they been performing thus far?

And...can they replace a Bravo without moving the engine?

Me .. 2000 38 single step to a 42 Sonic, to a 37 AT, then 3 43 NorTechs..:kiss:

Do you still have the Nor-Tech? and wasn't the last one a diesel?

As for getting out of the single step...makes sense.

Are we sure that we are even talking about Cig?:party-smiley-004:

Since Tracy has been in search of a demo ride in a 39 Cig for the last year now I'd say yes.

I understand that companies have agreements with other co's. In these times, why the F wouldnt a builder just build a hull that the customer wants and have say, TNT, rig it with whatever the customer wants? Money is Money. But i guess 1 boat isnt going to make or break Ciggy

if that is what you want tracy, plenty of 39's for sale with brokers. See if they will do the swap as a pkg deal. buy a 1 year old 39, sell the power and do the switch. I'm sure Ilmore would do anything they could as it would give them the usable info for future swaps.

get what you want i can put ilmors in it for you my shop is 15 minutes from theres they would luv to do a cig

I'm loving mine best $$ spent on an upgrade to date. Nicely engineered, simple to maintain, shift like butter & increased performance. Very clean installation & rigging. Ilmor thought this package thru before releasing it as they do everything.

As far as the direct replacement for a bravo question I'd say it;s going to be situational b/c from an alignment standpoint it's no problem but if you are cramped for space in the bilge you may not have room for the trannies.

hmmmm.....how about BobtheBuilder to start and Ozzie who just traded his 38 TG and built a 43V (Miami show boat last year). :D

Last one Jeff had was a 700/#6 boat.......

That's exactly what I said! Why can't people think for themselves around here grumble gripe b!tch moan.... :lolhit:

Tommy

Can you name anyone that switched to a new Cig from NT or OL?
Bet that will be a tough one........:angry-smiley-038:

lolsorry Cat, as usual i glanced over what you wrote, old habit you know? :D

+1, with Ilmor being my second choice.

Most I know stay with Cig or have gone to OL or cats as Nor-Tech does not have the performance traits of the others; but then again I'm not the one who finds it "shocking" as you put it...I think that comment is flat out ridiculous. But for one Tracy is looking to get out of his 43V and into the 39 Cig...

And for the record I think Nor-Tech has a wonderful product and I'm not trying to put it down in any way. Bob's Predator boat is awesome for what it is (he also has a Donzi), and I really like Alec's CC.

But "shocking" REALLY???? save the drama for your mama.

Whats he got now?

Cig has great history, #1 and everything but hasn't really evolved as a manufacturer and it has hurt their retention rates. They haven't come up with a new performance boat in years and the amenities on board are stuck in 1988. NT/OL/others are capturing the market when Cig owners want more or like in this thread want a change (Ilmor power).

NT has probably built more large performance cats (36 ft+) in the last 8-10 years than anyone. They have a perfect all around package, so while they don't race and don't always have the fastest they still are at the top of their game.

Plus they have rockstar customer service which no doubt helps retain customers. Have you ever heard a bad C.S. story about them? How many times have people noted that Terry and the NT gang went out of their way to help even when they are a non-NT client? NT even takes boats back for remodeling of paint/interior/power yet Cig is hard pressed to get you anything once the boat is 2-3 years old (Phil excluded from this comparison of course).

I suspect NT/OL would build you any boat you want with Ilmor power and even throw in an enclosed head rather than a sh!tter box in the middle of an 80's vinyl coated cabin with an igloo cooler strapped down in the corner (of course w/logos on everything!). :D

When it comes to spending 500K on a 40 ft boat you put 100 hours a year on and can't sleep on a lot of things matter other than the logo on the side........

Don't know but he is never shy and has ordered plenty of boats so I suspect he will chime in......but I do know the next one won't be made in Opa-locka! :D

LOL

if I go sport boat again, Id probably would get my 4th NorTech, best riding boat Ive been on....and Ive been on them all.. but would also check out the 41 Pantera. Im also leaning towards the NorTech 39CC w 3/350's. Its hard to beat a company as good as NT for an over all great product.

Get a life...do you really know what Cig's retention rate is compared to the other brands? Lets see the numbers. "Probably" built more "performance" cats...NT isn't even in the same conversation as Skater or MTI when it comes to "performance"...so where are the numbers? You want an enclosed sh!ter? Go buy a Sea Ray. So you gonna bash Skater and Mystic too for the lack of a f'ing "enclosed" toilet?

You are certainley entitled to your opinion of what particular brand lights your fire, I could care less. The fact is people change boats all the time because they have different needs. Is it really "SHOCKING" that someone might want to move from a Nor-Tech V to a 39 Cig??? I think not...you have no credibility here...now go back to your cute little Sunsation, turn up your Justin Beeber CD's and jerk off on your NT brochure.

Stupid people, they're everywhere...and the thing is they don't even know they're stupid.

As far as having "been on them all"...well OK I guess you are now officially my f'ing hero...I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy. Next time I'll just skip the sea trial and PM you.

And I thought "whats he got now" was the question?

Keep on topic.

No hero, just call a spade a spade. Whats with all the animosity towards everyone that does not own a Cig. There are other choices. Speed is not everything, but since you mentioned it ..in your class size boat, the Hustler Rocket is by far faster, rides similar, has more headroom, and an enclosed sh!tter, for the times that your so full of yourself, and cant quite make it to the dock..

Wrink the 37 AT is also a nice boat, especially for the coin involved..BTW, did you get to ride on both in KW..