This is class, at it's finest.. should have left your unedited post up...:grinser010:

Thats what I was thinking , but I thought Pat wanted to build a Ilmore boat.

I have NO animousity towards other brands...period. I was responding to JS the Cig hater's ridiculous comment that he finds it "shocking" that someone would consider something other than a NT. Speed is not everything and NT makes a very nice, what did you call it...oh yea "sport" boat for those that desire ammenities...but not everyone wants that in a perfomance boat.

Thanks, I edit to remove spelling errors when I see them.

As for the topic...Tracy has been considering a 39 Cig and is researching Ilmor power.

Anything wrong with that? Apparently according to JS the Cig hater. :lolhit:

Hahaha did that post get your blood pressure up this morning! :D

I just go by what I see on the water. When you see a guy at a poker run that had a Cig and you ask why the change or you see a dozen NT cats at a run and figure they must be on to something! No boat builder will acknowledge sales figures so hard numbers don't exist for any builder. Look at attendance of a big run and you can obviously see who is selling boats. When a manufacturer is still advertising last years show boats as inventory they obviously haven't sold them! By NT having a dealer in Canada they are selling boats from the north and the south (factory) so that will increase its exposure. Ciggy is losing dealers like Ocean Performance/Grand Sport which will hurt their regional sales (NE guys, Lake Michigan) and venturing into non core products like 49 Grand Sport are going to dilute the brand. With OL being in NE you would think having a dealer there would be ideal.

I am simply an observer Tommy, even Fountain reccognized his product line needed "updating" so they significantly upgraded their cabins in 08/09.

You had a great Cig w/classic graphics and I think Phil perfects their products the best he can. Even you made changes as to avoid "the sh!tter box in the middle of the cabin"......so it is enough of an issue for even a guy loyal to the brand!

BTW why would you sell the best boat on the market, the fastest, best handling 39/700 boat out there?:confused:

Seems to me it should have been a keeper.....

TTT- still no reply Tommy? Yeah I'll admit it was a closed end question, to which already knew the answer.

You asked me to name one, that switched from Cig to NT V and 3 got mentioned (2 of which were multiple NT build clients).

How do you compare a Rocket to a 36' Glad?

Is your insinuation that you were riding on both during the worlds so you are better or something? Hell, I figured you were working the "Sale."

I love how this stuff gets so far off topic. The man wants to move to a cig (his choice), he wants Ilmor power (cig doesn't want to do it), so he is asking a question in regards to his options. IMO the buy a year old boat and re-rig seems like the best option.

Ok, on with the pissin match.

He doesnt want a Cigarette!:D All the power to him for not drinking the kool aid!!:D:D The Hustler Rockit is a much bigger faster snd better riding boat than the Gladiator. Both great boats though.

I interpreted the post that he was referring to Tommy's class. Tom has a Glad now, hence my post.

I agree, the Rocket and Glad are not apples to apples by any means that is the reason I said it was an odd comparison.

Tom might be working (like I should be), so I guess I will respond for chits and giggles.

I know of one. A guy at loto has a 39 unl. with 700's (lives up the Gravois Arm). I believe it was the Miami boat show boat a few years ago (also on the website at one point/possibly brochure boat). He said he bought it at the show). It is blue orange and yellow with a geen stripe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPjb6zIE8Xo

I actually sat next to him on a flight from Cancun to STL last fall. I had a powerboat mag I was reading and we started to talk about boats.

I think he had a stilletto he moved up from, so not exactly apples to apples size wise but he did go from OL to Cig.

As for your "observations" I think the OSO manufacturers forum is a good tell of what the most popular brands are.

Not that it's any of your business but I put my boat up for sale because I felt that with the hours on it had I run it up more would have further diminshed the resale value and I was considering moving to a CC to keep in FL (I also like to fish). The 39 sold pretty quick and I found another Cig that is even faster so I got it and put a couple hundred k in my pocket. And this one has no cabin because in the last five+ years with both the Donzi and the Cig the number of times we had to use the head was zero. As far as I'm concerned all they do is add useless weight and more crap to break. In the 39 I moved the head forward because I eliminated the bed I didn't need either. If I was going to buy another stand-up V the 39/700 Cig would be at the top of my list, but I also like the 42OL and would consider an AT if they ever build the bigger one (although I prefer staggered).

Now why don't you ask Jass why he sold his 43NT w/700's...sounded like a keeper to me?

Like I said I have no beef with NT or the other brands; people buy what suits their individual needs and each brand has something to offer; different strokes for different folks...why can't YOU respect that.

In case you missed this in the quote section post above...

IN AN EARLIER POST YOU SAID CIG WASN'T EVOLVING AND HADN'T INTRODUCED NEW MODELS...SO WHICH IS IT? I GUESS WHAT YOUR SAYING IS THAT ITS OK FOR NT TO BUILD WHATVER BUT NOT FOR CIG?

THE 39, 49, 50 AND TOP FISH ARE ALL NEW MODELS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

The Hustler 39 Rockit is also a nice boat...I'd like to catch a ride in one sometime soon. Actually that's one thing that makes boat buying difficult...actually getting to sea trial a bunch of boats without having to have deposit down. That's where Cig could improve as some put more effort into it for sure. I guess its truly difficult to qualify the real buyers. Poor Tracy has been trying to get a demo ride for a while now and as had some difficulties there.

39 stretched 38 w/staggered engines not exactly a fresh sheet of paper.
49- not core performance, not sure what to call it
50- 46 RR + 4ft, once again more of a refresh
Top Fish- CC Top Gun w/ blinged rod holders?

A new boat to me would be something like the Gladiator/Maximus. That was an out of the box fresh idea like nothing else they had in the line up. Even the Vice/Mystique was a new idea. The only thing that could be considered new was the 49 GS and it looks like a bath tub, not even sleek like Cigs are known to be.

NT has done more new models than anyone in the same time period and they were nothing like the previous model. 39V, 39 CC, 40/44 Roadster, 427, 44 CC, 80 open/closed. I still like the 43 even though it is getting long in the tooth. The 427 was a neat concept. I never much cared for the 39V but it sold well for them and is a very big 39.

The issue was my "shock" over going Cig from NT. I had seen many trade the other way and Tommy wanted clarification on who specifically went to a NT V.

Point taken, answered very well. I think the Gladiator is a very purpose built boat. The only annoyance is the lack of a rub rail so it would make me uncomfortable leaving it tied to a dock on any busy waterway for fear of scratching it as most of them have wild paint! :D

Different strokes is fine, just would like to see Skip brighten up the company's future the way some of the other manufacturers have. BTW your 39 had the most cabin innovation I have ever seen on any Cig, not sure if that was you or Phil or combo of both but Skip should have taken notes.

There is no hope for you...that is just stupid.

BTW the Top Fish is a 39 foot boat with a TEN FOOT BEAM, so tell me genius exactly how did they get that out of the Top Gun mold?

And the Legend is Cig's answer to the "sport" boats like NT with a microwave and enclosed head for your sorry azz. They finally introduce a model with all the pimpy crap you desire and you don't know what to call it??? I guess that 80 NT yacht sure is core performance though?

Keep it up, the more you post the more people realize how warped you truly are.

I answered. Is that not the subject of this thread? Tracy moving from a 43 NT to a 39 Cig????

Now your talking

Nothing wrong with that at all. It was a simple thread asking for advise, that all of a sudden turned into Cig is the best boat out there..From my prospectrum I believe the thread was really about a 37 AT, from conversations that we have had.

Really, he is looking, by your own admittance can't even get a ride on one and you have chalked him up to being an owner?

Now who exactly is stupid..................:lolhit:

Lot's of heat up in this thread. We could use it this time of year. :D

WTF is a legend? The Gran Sport is the 49. Boat easily has Cig's nicest attempt at an interior but the lines on this boat are hideous. It is a bloated bath tub.
Nortech knocked it out of the park on both of their 80's and didn't have to rely on Turkey to build their yacht like Skip attempted with the ill-fated 55. What was the thinking behind the "American Legend" *built in Turkey?......hahahaha classic oxymoron.

You could flatline Tommy by correcting him and saying Tracy is actually thinking AT w/Ilmors. :drink:

For the record, I like AT's and their unlimited options for change. Pat seems like he would go the extra mile to make sure you got the boat you wanted. BTW two Ciggy owners bought AT's last year (Customryder and that guy in Texas that built the blue 600 boat) but Cig doesn't have any client retention issues.......:party-smiley-004:

Clark's refresh was a nice factory touch as well, can't see that being done in Opalocka!

I was subtly mentioning that possibility existed several pages ago but everyone was too wound up in the whole Ciggy thing to notice.

My my how we can spin things around; ...all I was commenting on was the stupid, lame azz comment that JS found it SHOCKING that someone would move from NT to Cig.

So tell me, do you really find it SHOCKING that someone would make that move...REALLY???
And all I asked was exactly how many guys HE knew that went from Cig to NT and you chimed in. Is that thumping for Cig? It was just a simple question to see if he knew what he was bloviating about. I'm not shocked any time some moves from one brand to another; they have their resaons or needs change and there are alot of good boats out there. So why did you sell your last 43? Did your needs change???

And as for talking about AT why don't you read post 7, 8, 9???

In post 7 he simply comments that Cig will not do Ilmors so if he wants them he might have to look elsewhere.
Post eight confirms they wont.
Post nine he admits to being an old bastard.:drink:

I thought when they first came out they were called Legends..maybe not, my bad...but the point isn't whether you like it or not (we all know you are a Cig hater) you wrote:

They haven't come up with a new performance boat in years and the amenities on board are stuck in 1988.

Obvioulsy you are mistaken...that is the point; not to mention that you obviously like to have it both ways.

It ok for NT to build a sport boat but it is not ok for Cig to build a sport boat; it is ok for NT to build a yacht but not ok for Cig to buld a yacht. WTF???

I do agree the yacht Cig built was not their best effort; nor am I a big fan of the 49's styling.

Customryder hardly counts...he has had everything and usually buys what he feels is the best deal out there at the time. He does profess to really like his whippled AT though. Can't recall; has he ever had a NT?

He is an old bastard...and I didn't chime in until the ridculous post 15.:kiss:

No doubt, other than all the nonsense in the beware thread it has been way to quiet around here.

Omerta,
Jeff has avoided your question but I will tell you why he sold his 43 NT.
Both he and his wife had to deal with some serious health issues. Yes cancer, first Sandy then Jeff. Couple that with the slowdown in the construction industry and the boat had to go.
Fortunately they both pulled through and their prospects have improved.
As soon as things turn around again they will be looking for a boat.
Feel better now?

Not all of it is nonsense, but you would know better.. If you have a problem with JS in conversations in this thread, keep it between you two, I stick to facts.

Wouldn't flatline me at all; with all the trouble he's had getting a demo ride I wouldn't be surprised if he never spoke to anyone at Cig again. Not to mention that AT builds a great boat...thoughI do prefer the staggered setup in a V. I'm anxious to see a 43. When will one be done????

The 39CC ran really nice in the Shootout this year.

That 44 Alec has is the bomb though...wow what a ride.

I’ve been in the market for a new boat for the last several years. I looked at every builder mentioned on this thread and settled for the Cigarette 39 TG.

This decision came after factory visits to the majority of builders in consideration. In the end, it came down to OL and Cigarette. Never made it to Rhode Island (heard nothing but good things) but our experience at Cigarette was nothing short of outstanding.

Test ride was not a problem and boat performed as advertised. They worked around my schedule and spent the entire day with us.

I will also say, for those who suggest innovation has been diluted at Cigarette Racing, go to Opa-locka and take a tour. I have been a performance boater for the last 30 years and a partner in the new and used boat business for the last eight years. During this time I’ve had the opportunity to visit many boat manufacturer’s, large and small. By a wide margin, Cigarette’s new facility has been the most impressive. Additionally, as I have found in my short life, you learn a lot when you meet and talk to the people that do the work. The pride, passion and level of detail I witnessed made a difficult decision very easy.

Just my two cents

Much...I only asked because the same question was posed to me as to why I decided to sell a boat I liked so much. As I said needs change. I did not intend to bring personal issues into it and would not wish ill will on anyone. The downturn has affected many of us.

Is that not a bit hypocritical...I mean you are the one who jumped in the middle of this. I'm sorry but I get a bit tired of JS always bashing Cig, just as you've gotten defensive when NT is criticized, we all have our preferences and there is nothing wrong with that as I see it. As far as I know I have not been lying, if you'd like to point out where I'd be happy to address it.

Thanks, Terry. Been biting my tongue all morning.