43 Nortech vs. 46 Cig. RR
 

They are about the same price used, about the same speed with like power, the NT is really bigger, the cabin in the NT nicer so is the RR a better ride in big water or are you paying for the name?

Quality my friend. It's all about the details. Cig by a wide margin. :drink:

You did see where I said Nortech right ? they only put out perfect.

Pick whatever but this is a great boat at a great price;

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o34675-en.html

Whats your price range?? The cabin in an Outerlimits is nicer in my opinion and is faster. Say a nice 42 with 700s? If you really care about the cabin id go NT over the Cig but if your stuck between those two and more performance based I would probably go with the 46 Cig.

Nortech builds a great boat for sure. Considered both, choose Cig based on attention to detail.

I don't belong answering this, but I do dream about having either so the reasons I think are simple.

The Nortech is more plush and futuristic styling, very nice for island hopping or traveling. I would say this and no disrespect, the more amenities the more things to break if and when you want to run hard out in the ocean or great lakes on a crappy day.

My view of the Cigarette - minimal stuff to break, get loose and rattle - more rugged just looking at it, certainly not luxury driven, a very classic functional looking boat that I think like the old Cigarette ads deplict you take it out and beat the snot out of it, it's not a weekender type of boat.

I have kids and a wife when hey humor me and look over my shoulder at what I'm wasting my time looking at they would say "Get Nortech" ourt of those two but I silently say Cigarette.

ps I think the OL does afford some degree of both of these boats and not meant in a bad way but the OL does seem to comprimise somehwere in the middle?

You pull up to a dock with a Cigarette you are pulling up with an Icon.

I have a couple older Ferrari's, you pull up to the casinos in NJ with a new shinny 2011 turbo Porsche or an older red Ferrari which car do people talk about? I think the Cigarette and Nortech are the same relation as the two cars, both great in different ways but what reaction do you want?

Nortech - Cigarette
 

Both great boats.

The best thing to do, "Drive Each One". The Nortech is alot bigger boat inside than the Cig and both will run well. I doubt either will fall apart.

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Quick question - Do they have a genset and A/C?? Can you run them while on plane.... ?????

The 43 NT we had was not able to run the genset while on plane due to the steps and inducing air into the water pick up on the genset... therefore everytime you stopped somewhere someone had to go to the cabin - fire up the genset - turn on the A/C and wait for it to cool down.... Personally I didn't give a chit.... but the gals didn't like to wait....

You can't go wrong with either, different style boats. The 46 Cig is just a mean looking rig.

I believe I was 1 of NT's early zip/soft covers instead of hard hinged covers/doors for head, storage in the cabin! no rattles, less weight! I love'm!!!

CIG all the way....:drink:

fix that non latching latch yet on that new 39 in KW Bubba that I found & pointed out 2 U!! U should pay me 4 quality control!!!:grinser010:

Buy an apache and beat them all in rough water. All that fancy bling doesn't make them ride any better or go any faster. Its like wearing a rolex to a soccer game. Might as well leave it off and save yourself the time and money trying to keep it clean.

Sounds like an Outerlimits cabin!:D:D

Dan... Promoting Outerlimits? NO WAY!!!!!!!!:lolhit::lolhit:

What?:party-smiley-004: hahahahaha

I saw what appeared 2 B the OL logo rubbed out under the NT stitching??? :eek:I don't know??? Terry????? Gauges??????Terry, Gauges!!!!! Terry, gauges!!!

Go back to your Krypto forum!:evilb:

now you have me thinking wrink....thanks a lot...:lolhit:.. hmmmm those 1075's vs 700's in the nor-techs that are out there, what's the dif in maintaining and speeds????

Run em both and you will see for yourself! 46 RR is an amazing rough water boat! Cant really compare the two. i think if you want the big cabin OL all the way!

i was thinking of the nor-techs vs the cig haven't really considered the OL's... I like the extra room and amenities in the nor-tech

I couldn't give a rat's behind about what anyone's reaction would be. Whatever I buy, it's for me. I've never found it very satisfying to purchase anything based on what image it projected. Doesn't make sense to me.

I have tri-525's so I can't answer, sorry!! Although I prefer my setup over twin 700 blower motors for this size boat! Bigger motors & # 6's R a dif story!! That's just me! 525's Start & & run great every time!!

I really like the Nortechs, and OL's, but man "specifically", I'd go for the 46 American Muscle II baby! I just think the 46 Cigarettes look more aggressive & have the perfect lines running down all 46 feet for my tastes in a long vee.

My personal favorite would be Strip Poker, but I realize some would prefer to have the newest Mercury power like AM-II has. That 46 that Cobra has is a BEAUTIFUL boat as well.

You have to know that whether you buy the Nortech, an OL, or the Cigarette, you're not paying for a "name" with those brands. The reason they all have earned a "name", is because of superior quality to their competition. They will all last a LONG time without stressing, rattling, or any other structural weakening down the road. I think the Nortech probably has more "bling" in the cabin & cockpit, which is certainly important to some. I like more of a no frills design, since I wouldn't use any of the sinks, huge bathrooms w/ showers, microwaves, etc.

You can't go wrong with the choices you've listed, but personally the 46 Cigarette is the ultimate in big vee bottoms to me. Good luck, & post pics of what you decide on!

It's an example, Nortech is a refined image, Cigarette is a bad boy image both good yet both different. You can't tell me that most Cigarette owners didn't buy their boat because of an "image" they try to convey - face it we all do in our own ways that's why there are so many brands and we all don't just have Fountains - did I just that? :lolhit:

VT - Have a Merry Christmas.

The Nortech is more of a cruiser boat with all its amenities. The Cig may be old school, but sure is built like a tank and rigged second to none. The bottom line? What will make you smile the most? That is what you should buy.

Yes you did do that :lolhit:

At least the top brands have the oomph to back up the name though. It's nice to have a feeling of pride when purchasing a product that's at least as good as the name brand. It's also great to have choices between more than one or two great products.

I like the fewest ammentities possible. I do not want to hear any rattles or have things broke when I'm done boating. Offshore boats take a pounding and no matter how an interior is put together, if its not just the basics it'll come apart.

Right you are!

Apache is the legend when it comes to rough water boating, but most people dont boat in 6+ footers everyday. In "normal" rough conditions, say 3-5 footers the Apache will be left in the dust. So IMPO, American Muscle II 46 Cig RR has them beat in most "normal" sea conditions.....PLUS BLING! Sorry

I can agree with that, and under those circumstances.....Cigarette by all means!

Both are great boats. I thought I read somewhere the 46 was Cig's most efficient hull. NT is going to have a softer ride and certainly can be used in any water the Cig ventures into.

Jeremy's AM2 is one of the best looking 46/50's ever built!

The OL,s have a fast hull, but some people don't like the epoxy ride. And build quality still lags behind Cigarette.

Structural build quality on an Outerlimits is behind no one. A carbon fiiber epoxy boat is stronger than any full wood and fiberglass boat. That "epoxy" ride you speak of doesnt exist anymore with the SL and SV Outerlimits. Rigging is different than build quality which I assume you meant to say.

I would agree that the newer 46 Cigarette's are their best bottom.

I am not ready to buy right now and if I was I would look at 42-46 OL's but of the ones out their now not many OL's in the 200-300k range a few 42's but not with the power I would want or a little beat up looking, the NT's and Cig's out their are very nice boats. Thats not the say the OL's can't be talked down to the same price just looking at whats out their now. I don't think the build and any of the 3 would be bad and at that level if you see something you dont like you thell and they fix it they want you happy and buying and telling your friends to buy their boats.

I like a big cabin so the NT or OL would fit my taste more and it seems only a few think that the RR would have that much better of a ride only in real big water so the $75-100k less cabin they have is for the Icon Cigarette thing. I would be fine with just a real head gen and ac to keep the with happy but nobody likes a crapper in the middle of the salon, dont need a refer or micro just the other stuff.

Sounds like a Cig aint for you then since they all have the crapper in the middle, no gen and no AC. What power are you looking for? You can get a nice 42 Outerlimits for 300K and under and the NT's are already in that range. One thing I do prefer is the Outerlimits has a much deeper cockpit than the Nor-Tech. The Nor-Tech has great styling though!!

This thread just got derailed......according to Ciggy fans the "crapper in the middle of the cabin" is a fine design.....never to be improved from 1988! :D

Not sure about the deeper cockpit on an OL compared to a NT. Both seem "armpit deep" from the helm.

I brought up the epoxy ride because we are talking about used boats. And yes, your assumptions were correct.

drive them both and buy what you like! as long as its not a outerlimits you will be happy!!!