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Sheer Insanity 01-29-2011 06:43 PM

About ready to buy..
 
Looking for a 30 to 33 V-hull with twin 500 efi's 2005 or newer. I like the Sonic 31ss but open to taking a look at ones simular. I would be ok with 525's but dont want anything super charged. I would rather have realiablity. I would be happy with high 80's or lo 90's for speed.

I think the fountains, scarrab's and several other popular builds are outdated and need (needed in 2005) change/updating.

Im looking to spend 50,000 to 80,000 depending on what is out there which I have 25,000 cash to put up cash.

Looking for opinions and to gain knowledge so please leave input.. (No cats or outboards please. Not my style)

Also, Loan info and Ins. info appreciated. Teach me what you learned so I dont make the same mistakes!

Thanks in advance. Larry....

redbud35 01-29-2011 07:14 PM

That's a pretty tall order for something in good condition with 525's. Anything that new won't have 500's anymore.

Mastercraft240 01-29-2011 07:34 PM

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o34821-en.html
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o35649-en.html
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o37800-en.html
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o36933-en.html
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o33702-en.html

Sheer Insanity 01-29-2011 07:42 PM

No thanks to all above... I looked at the Fountains... Same boat from the 90's. Dash and int. still looks like an old Miami Vice episode.

Sheer Insanity 01-29-2011 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by redbud35 (Post 3311021)
That's a pretty tall order for something in good condition with 525's. Anything that new won't have 500's anymore.

I'll find one. Vendictive wives with the upper hand in a divorce make prices very affordable.. :eek:

redbud35 01-29-2011 07:59 PM

Did you even look at what he wanted?

Mastercraft240 01-29-2011 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by redbud35 (Post 3311044)
Did you even look at what he wanted?

I provided him with options, updated older boats in his price range. He wants everything for nothing. Whatever, he'll be boatless for awhile. Gotta pay if you wanna play.:grinser010:

cosmic12 01-29-2011 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Sheer Insanity (Post 3311000)
Looking for a 30 to 33 V-hull with twin 500 efi's 2005 or newer. I like the Sonic 31ss but open to taking a look at ones simular. I would be ok with 525's but dont want anything super charged. I would rather have realiablity. I would be happy with high 80's or lo 90's for speed.

I think the fountains, scarrab's and several other popular builds are outdated and need (needed in 2005) change/updating.

Im looking to spend 50,000 to 80,000 depending on what is out there which I have 25,000 cash to put up cash.

Looking for opinions and to gain knowledge so please leave input.. (No cats or outboards please. Not my style)

Also, Loan info and Ins. info appreciated. Teach me what you learned so I dont make the same mistakes!

Thanks in advance. Larry....

Thats a tall order there, let us know where those boats are, a few others would love that kinda deal.

Sheer Insanity 01-29-2011 08:27 PM

2006 Sonic 31SS - 32' 500 Efi's Pricing Suggested List Price Low
Retail Average Retail
Base Price: $172,179 $70,050 $79,250
Options: (add options)

Cockpit Cover $380 $430
GPS - Fixed Mount $325 $370
Trim Tabs / Hydraulic $600 $685
Exhaust - Silent Choice $1,370 $1,550
Fire Ext. 75 - 100 cu. ft. $190 $215
External Steering - Twin Hydraulic $2,630 $2,990
Batteries - Dual w/Switch $195 $220
Stereo - am/fm CD player w/4 speakers $375 $420
Depth Sounder $190 $215
See all options chosen

TOTAL PRICE $172,179 $76,305 $86,345

Nada pricing. Order isnt that tall. I think on this website pricing is blown up a little. Outside of this site there are many geat deals.

redbud35 01-29-2011 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by mastercraft240 (Post 3311049)
I provided him with options, updated older boats in his price range. He wants everything for nothing. Whatever, he'll be boatless for awhile. Gotta pay if you wanna play.:grinser010:

Totally agree

Dwane 01-29-2011 09:17 PM

Check out the Nordic section, 35 foot 500's upper 90's.

Mastercraft240 01-29-2011 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Sheer Insanity (Post 3311063)
2006 Sonic 31SS - 32' 500 Efi's Pricing Suggested List Price Low
Retail Average Retail
Base Price: $172,179 $70,050 $79,250
Options: (add options)

Cockpit Cover $380 $430
GPS - Fixed Mount $325 $370
Trim Tabs / Hydraulic $600 $685
Exhaust - Silent Choice $1,370 $1,550
Fire Ext. 75 - 100 cu. ft. $190 $215
External Steering - Twin Hydraulic $2,630 $2,990
Batteries - Dual w/Switch $195 $220
Stereo - am/fm CD player w/4 speakers $375 $420
Depth Sounder $190 $215
See all options chosen

TOTAL PRICE $172,179 $76,305 $86,345

Nada pricing. Order isnt that tall. I think on this website pricing is blown up a little. Outside of this site there are many geat deals.

That's 6k above your spending limit AND your not including sales tax, transport, little fixes, and all that other things that go wrong with a 5 year old boat (batteries, ignition, bearings, tires, gauges, rust removing, old ripped covers). Don't forget you're gonna need rebuilds in the next couple years 10k-15k! Let's add, thats probably a 78mph boat. Maybe low 80's, but not you're high 80's low 90's asking. *yawn*

Sheer Insanity 01-29-2011 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by Dwane (Post 3311081)
Check out the Nordic section, 35 foot 500's upper 90's.

I saw these. Nice boats, but my bank is insisting on a 2004 or newer.

Lone info appreciated also? I can find great deals on 01 02 boats but wont have enough funds? Bank will only loan 20K if older than 04..

The old Eliminator 300xp's run low 90's with twin 500's and are 50K all day. Like new..

ElimiNordic 01-29-2011 10:40 PM

New Boat
 

Originally Posted by Sheer Insanity (Post 3311000)
Looking for a 30 to 33 V-hull with twin 500 efi's 2005 or newer. I like the Sonic 31ss but open to taking a look at ones simular. I would be ok with 525's but dont want anything super charged. I would rather have realiablity. I would be happy with high 80's or lo 90's for speed.

I think the fountains, scarrab's and several other popular builds are outdated and need (needed in 2005) change/updating.

Im looking to spend 50,000 to 80,000 depending on what is out there which I have 25,000 cash to put up cash.

Looking for opinions and to gain knowledge so please leave input.. (No cats or outboards please. Not my style)

Also, Loan info and Ins. info appreciated. Teach me what you learned so I dont make the same mistakes!

Thanks in advance. Larry....

You should be able to get a great boat for that much. I think you should start with a credit union for a loan. I have found Stacy at Wake Zone and Cy Goldberg both easy to deal with on insurance. Both can be found in the insurance section here. You might consider what drive you get on a boat as it will determine how dependable it is and how fast you can go. I had a 90+mph 23' Eliminator and wanted to go faster, so about 5 months, I bought a 28' foot Daytona with twin 496ho mags and Bravo drives. I love the boat and my plan was to make the boat go faster than the stock engines would push it. After really researching the whole re-power/hop up deal, I found the drives were the weak link and could not reliably handle the power and it was almost cheaper to just buy a new boat with stronger drives than change engines and drives. Moral is go slow and spend time reading here and other sites to find what you really want in a go fast boat. Read about all the problems people have with their drives when power is put to them. Maybe you can get a good deal on a boat with #6 drives if it is a little older. Just my opinion.

offshorexcursion 01-29-2011 10:54 PM

Irish tornado on here has sweet Baja 302 with 500efi's, boxes, etc low 80's super clean, nicest one around.
http://bajaboatowners.com/classified...of-a-kind.html

capt2130 01-30-2011 09:22 AM

Not sure if you would want a midcabin. But this is a great boat that I know of. I have a couple pictures of the engines if your interested in seeing them.

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/boa/2180057083.html

Good Advice 01-30-2011 09:37 AM

Have 2004 Sonic, 31ss, w/ 525's. for sale. Fresh water only. let's talk. Off snowmobiling till late tonight, om phone or email

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by Good Advice (Post 3311258)
Have 2004 Sonic, 31ss, w/ 525's. for sale. Fresh water only. let's talk. Off snowmobiling till late tonight, om phone or email

Send me pics and info to [email protected]

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 3311128)
Irish tornado on here has sweet Baja 302 with 500efi's, boxes, etc low 80's super clean, nicest one around.
http://bajaboatowners.com/classified...of-a-kind.html

I saw this on ebay and chatted with him a little bit but its an 03. Cant get loan??

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by capt2130 (Post 3311246)
Not sure if you would want a midcabin. But this is a great boat that I know of. I have a couple pictures of the engines if your interested in seeing them.

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/boa/2180057083.html

Thanks but not crazy about the open bow lay out.

seafordguy 01-30-2011 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Sheer Insanity (Post 3311298)
I saw this on ebay and chatted with him a little bit but its an 03. Cant get loan??

Loans are out there - you have to look.

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by seafordguy (Post 3311305)
Loans are out there - you have to look.

Refferances appreciated?? I dont want to have several check my credit shopping for a good one. It will knock my score down a bit.

seafordguy 01-30-2011 10:42 AM

yeah - my score dropped a bunch shopping Umbrella insurance.

I would go to a couple local credit unions/banks and talk to them in person. That way if they have age restrictions, etc... they can flush them out before they run your credit.

PokerRun388 01-30-2011 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by mastercraft240 (Post 3311049)
I provided him with options, updated older boats in his price range. He wants everything for nothing. Whatever, he'll be boatless for awhile. Gotta pay if you wanna play.:grinser010:

agreed.... good luck w/o a boat this year!

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by ElimiNordic (Post 3311120)
You should be able to get a great boat for that much. I think you should start with a credit union for a loan. I have found Stacy at Wake Zone and Cy Goldberg both easy to deal with on insurance. Both can be found in the insurance section here. You might consider what drive you get on a boat as it will determine how dependable it is and how fast you can go. I had a 90+mph 23' Eliminator and wanted to go faster, so about 5 months, I bought a 28' foot Daytona with twin 496ho mags and Bravo drives. I love the boat and my plan was to make the boat go faster than the stock engines would push it. After really researching the whole re-power/hop up deal, I found the drives were the weak link and could not reliably handle the power and it was almost cheaper to just buy a new boat with stronger drives than change engines and drives. Moral is go slow and spend time reading here and other sites to find what you really want in a go fast boat. Read about all the problems people have with their drives when power is put to them. Maybe you can get a good deal on a boat with #6 drives if it is a little older. Just my opinion.

Thanks for the positive reply and good advice.
That is the reason I dont want charged motors. The 500 efi's are proven realiable engines with bravos or xr's behind them. I will be happy in the 70's for cruising. I dont run my boats hard much and should have to with that cruising speed.

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by PokerRun388 (Post 3311348)
agreed.... good luck w/o a boat this year!

Ill make sure I post pics and the price for all the negitive feed back.

redbud35 01-30-2011 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Sheer Insanity (Post 3311365)
Ill make sure I post pics and the price for all the negitive feed back.

Just reality bro. Sounds like you have it all figured out.

rlj676 01-30-2011 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by seafordguy (Post 3311317)
yeah - my score dropped a bunch shopping Umbrella insurance.

I would go to a couple local credit unions/banks and talk to them in person. That way if they have age restrictions, etc... they can flush them out before they run your credit.

You have to scour the local CU's and check their terms. Google is your friend here. If you are good at online research, have good credit and understand debt to income ratios and their other loan acceptance factors you can most definitely find financing on older boats (without every one of them running your credit). Probably you can end up with better terms than what you would get for a new boat at your bank..... It's work, but you want a great deal on a boat and this is an enabler.

That said, you won't have an 05 or newer w/ 525's in your range, unless it's a repo with a list of fixes needed. Go older and you'll find something.

gsxrmike 01-30-2011 01:28 PM

I just went through this same process towards the end of '09. Purchased my first boat then and have been real happy.

My advise on finacing would be to get your credit score from one of the online places I actually signed up for 2 services freecreditreport.com as they are also the same score as your fico score, and I also used truecredit.com. The reason I used 2 is that they conpute scores differently and depending on the lender they may use service A vs. B and the number may vary. Once I had my score I called around and asked them straight up what the terms would be if my score X. This is really the only way to shop rates, you may also want to ask them what interest rates are for a particular score, if your score is close to the next tier you may try to move some debt around i.e. credit cards to ensure you get the lowest rate.

In the end I used a Credit Union and got the best rate. After doing this and talking to other local boaters I found that vitually everyone finaced there boat using a Credit Union as well. So I would check that route for sure.

IlmorDonzi 01-30-2011 03:41 PM

[After doing this and talking to other local boaters I found that vitually everyone finaced there boat using a Credit Union as well.]

And there are still a few of us that save their money until they have enough and just write a check for it.

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 06:22 PM

ttt

Mastercraft240 01-30-2011 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Sheer Insanity (Post 3311594)
And i'm sure you started with nothing and made everything you have starting with nothing but your backbone like alot of us had to....

I would love to be able to take everything away from a few born fortunate and see how they end up starting with the clothes on there backs in the real world.
Most of them have it all but are to miserable and above all the rest to enjoy life.

What the phuck are you talking about? Phucking weirdo.

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3311434)
You have to scour the local CU's and check their terms. Google is your friend here. If you are good at online research, have good credit and understand debt to income ratios and their other loan acceptance factors you can most definitely find financing on older boats (without every one of them running your credit). Probably you can end up with better terms than what you would get for a new boat at your bank..... It's work, but you want a great deal on a boat and this is an enabler.

That said, you won't have an 05 or newer w/ 525's in your range, unless it's a repo with a list of fixes needed. Go older and you'll find something.

Thanks for the input. My credit is great and I shouldnt have an issue, but I want all the info I can get (mistakes made by others) so I can get the best rates. I would rather get a 2000-2002 boat and pay it of in a year or two.

Thanks again for the info.. I will post the process and outcome so others in my situation can learn from my mistakes if any.

verbi69 01-30-2011 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Good Advice (Post 3311258)
Have 2004 Sonic, 31ss, w/ 525's. for sale. Fresh water only. let's talk. Off snowmobiling till late tonight, om phone or email

If you dont mind, I wouldnt mind seeing this also....
[email protected]
[email protected]

Thanks,
Mike

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by mastercraft240 (Post 3311599)
What the phuck are you talking about? Phucking weirdo.


Not a weirdo.... Just Unique.

Mastercraft240 01-30-2011 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Sheer Insanity (Post 3311604)
Not a weirdo.... Just Unique.

Why'd you delete your post? Realized how messed up it was?

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by mastercraft240 (Post 3311607)
Why'd you delete your post? Realized how messed up it was?

Didnt feel like dealing with it....

I probrobly took it the wrong way. The comment just rubbed me the wrong way when I read it. I realized it, erased it and have moved on. But I have met and know of a few my comment would decribe perfectly.

I hate this crap! I just want to find a boat and be done with this.

Sheer Insanity 01-30-2011 06:54 PM

I'm supprized there isnt someone on this site who sells boat loans who several know and use?? or a supporting vendor?

gsxrmike 01-30-2011 06:58 PM


And there are still a few of us that save their money until they have enough and just write a check for it.
And then there are those who try to help a little with what they learned, while others just like to rub there success in other peoples faces.




I'm happy for you that you have the ability to write a check like that, but I'm not sure how that post is constructive, and honestly comes off as a bit juvenile.

Stormrider 01-30-2011 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Sheer Insanity (Post 3311623)
I'm supprized there isnt someone on this site who sells boat loans who several know and use?? or a supporting vendor?

There is a forum for this...


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