Thats my boat in the other video.

I havent ridden in a Kryptonite but 90+ with 650hp is pretty awesome. I own the black Pantera race boat. The fastest I saw with my old motor was 82mph on GPS with a non labbed 26p bravo. My new motor is very fresh, made 675hp on the dyno and we are thinking 85mph. Jo@ Pantera told me that with that power 85 should be about bang on.

85mph with 675hp aint bad in a non stepped 28ft single! but I have no cabin and no frills in my boat and my girlfriend hates it. I dont mind the lack of cabin and the strippers like the extra room that my girl refusing to get in the boat allows.

I run extremely rough water in Lake Ontario and Georgian Bay. The Pantera gets beaten hard every weekend.

I have run it at full throttle in rough water many times and a 28ft v bottom boat with HP, full throttle in rough water will be one of the most fun experiences you can have. it iwll also occasionally scare the phucking **** out of you.

A 28ft boat in rough water will only go as fast as your balls are willing to take you....... all things being equal.

If you want to go fast in a 28 ft boat go buy a 28 Skater. My next boat will be a 32 or 36 Skater. I dont plan on selling the Pantera when I get it.

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Rock on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a SKATER nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Compared to the Krypto, I thought it had significantly more. Keep in mind we're talking 28's here...

Try a 28' AT or 28 Apache for freeboard, you're really in those boats compared to the Pantera. I always thought the 28 Pantera was better suited as a sit-down, for a "rough water" boat it always seemed strange standing up, but that's just me I guess.

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Hard choice, but in WI, the great lakes, I'd go with Pantera.

Personal choice - apache.:drink:

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I'm 5' 10". Standing up in a 28 pantera the windshield is slightly higher than my waist.

is the kryptonite a true 28 or is the swim platform counted in there?

Apache 28 is more of a twin engine boat.

there are like 1-3 singles.

If twins was a requirement in the debate I would say Apache should definately be considered but the issue then becomes age.

Kryptonite

I agree. Apache is by design a twin engine big block boat.

When Harry Schoell designed the 28 pantera hull it was made for twin small blocks (from what I remember researching post on OSO).

The fact that the 28 pantera is a Harry Schoell design alone gives it significant pedigree.

never knew that about the Pantera. sorry to get off topic but.....

I have often wondered how a 28 Pantera with a race cockpit, no cabin, full stagger, small blocks with 450-500hp per motor would run.

I bet that would be a friggin wild machine. Like a 'mini' 41 Apache raceboat.

If I won the lottery I would have Jo and Pepe build me one. :drink:

It's 27 without the platform. Back to topic..........

I always tell people if I win the lotto the Saber is getting the big Illmors and Indy drives, lose almost a thousand pounds and gain 600hp would be wild.:evilb:

Notice the guys with 28's that don't have any kind of rough water cred claim "28 is 28".....I claim BS.

As stated, balance, deadrise, steps, weight, build all come into play. If anyone wants to claim their 22 degree stepped 28 with a glass windshield handles rough like my PP...... May be faster on normal water, but not safer/more comfortable when it get's snotty.

No different than a 38 isn't a 38, etc. There's a reason Apache, etc have the rep they do.

its pretty simple really: Kryptonite for inland rivers/ lakes & Pantera for ocean/coastal water ---like everyone stated you have to determine what suits your use.

Pantera--mini-apache ...thats says it all!

Kryptonite--fast hot rod ,handles small chop nicely for stepped hull

both are my favorites for single engine

The Warlock 29ft and Activators(now RAGE i believe) are hell of a hull in this class...they are a cross of these 2 concentrated more on speed. I rode in the Purple Haze Warlock in the pantera viedo and its a confidence inspiring ride. Alot of good things to say about activators also, other than trying to turn them at speed(a no no!)

kryptonte. two awesome boats though

The Kryptonite is FAR from a bay boat. Trust me on that.

MC240. No dis on your boat. If i had the coin i would be all over you boat.

I have a lot of experience with both...the better throttleman will walk away. Period. There both exceptional rough water boats.

MINI APACHE:drink:

Sounds like both are great boats comes down to what you like in terms of look, image, speed and use, etc.

I wanted a badassed old school MIAMI offshore boat. :evilb:


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ar15 summed it up perfectly! Black is hot :D

Pantera sure has classic lines.... great rough water boat.. would be very hard pressed to make up for the Kryptonite's speed advantage unless the water was BAD.

Both great boats.... I'd be happy with either one... honestly!