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Old 03-31-2011, 10:53 AM
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and they can go buy a Lambo, or an airplane for a speed fix so whats any different , and i doubt they'd be a 1st X boater
A Novice or anyone not with good skills and reflexes is like giving a track day for a guy who has never driven a motorcycle a Superbike...all it takes is a couple hundred yards and ther guy has killed himself, am
nd regarding bikes they ain´t just urban legends..
I happen to have at least two motorcycle vendors as friends who has sold a bike to one who insisted to get the fastest there is and get killed in a few seconds.
The powerboats are catching up...
Cars..well today they are so full of guides aides and limiters that they are safe in this comparison....
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The real problem is not the top end guys. If you have made it to 150 and above you probably have either bought your way there through a series of boats, or built your way there, also through a series of boats. The real problem is the numerous 70-80-90 mph boats that someone can just go out and pickup, and in this economy, pretty cheaply. Couple a youngish, bold guy with a fistful of throttles and a 70+ mph step bottom boat and you have some real issues. Esp. if he and his 4 buddies are drinking. We have come a long way from the days when a 60 mph boat was fast, and now there is no learning curve. Of course the chitty economy has taken a lot of people out of the market so there is a little saving grace there.
The most Unskilled guys around here in a powerboat has been guys that just bought a brand new big cats that did about 140-150 tops...those in the lesser boats have more experience because they work their way up to bigger and faster boats.

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and they can go buy a Lambo, or an airplane for a speed fix so whats any different , and i doubt they'd be a 1st X boater
What's different is there are speed limits on the roads and the surface is stagnant and static. In the air there's little to hit and running 200 mph is obviously not dangerous. On water the surface is dynamic, it's always changing and never the same. Big, big difference! 200 mph is far more dangerous on water than it is on open road or in the air.

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Too much Big Brother in the world already. Personal responsibility and common sense have to prevail. The Darwin Theory will rid out those without it.

While I agree with your premise, I disagree w/your solution. I don't wear seatbelts or helmets for spite though... right or wrong. I hate being told I HAVE to do ANYthing. Supposed to be a free country and it’s becoming everything but.
I agree 100% with the first part of your response, but I'd like to point out I never gave the solution... I simply raised the question and asked where we are headed.

For the record, I dont think big brother is the answer, but I do feel we're going to be reading about speed related deaths on here in the coming years, I just hope it's not a boat full of people and that they aren't in populated areas... if so it will only take so many before big brother steps in.


BTW, I completely disagree with the comment that 90 mph boats are the real concern. Yes there are a lot more of them and easily accessible, but percentage wise I dont think they are a bigger risk... more apt to be involved to be in an accident simply because of the number of them out there, but lets not kid ourselves, 90 mph boats are fairly safe in comparison to just about any boat traveling at 200 mph on the water. IMO, the odds of a 90 mph boat having an accident are far less than an a 200 mph boat having an accident. Let's put it this way, if there are 10,000 boats out there that run 90 mph every year, how often do you read about deaths due to the shear speed they were running at. A fairly small percentage. If there were 10,000 200 mph boats running around, I'd bet my last dollar the percentage of accidents would be far higher... even if there were being run by "experts".

Furthermore, there simply isn't a lot of experience out there when it comes to running 200+ mph. Yes there are guys out there that have done it and hired hands that do it every so often, but even those guys had to do it for the first time and I'm sure they will all say there's a real inherent danger in doing it. I'd be amazed if they all dont wonder if this is their 'last' when they do it... To a certain degree IMO, these people are almost crash test dummy's waiting for their turn... it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
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That tends to be self-correcting.

Ted I was in my late teens with a Superbike.. still around but have my scars... and still has a Bike and like to burn and do wheelies...age..44 soon
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When is Fast too Fast?

Ken Warby would probably say around 300 mph
on a Flat lake yes... not in Key West...
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We (performance crowd) are not the general public,
for the most part the general public has no clue what/when poker runs happen..
I come from a boating community and have many boating freinds.
I have had to explain to almost all of them what a poker run is. LOL...
I do agree on the loud part though!!
Loud pipes save lives..

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Difference is on land only place a Lambo or 200mph bike can stretch its legs LEGALLY is on a closed track wheras on the water you can run 150+ legally down the middle of a public lake on a poker run (not a race,LOL) with a ton of clueless weekend boaters and jetskiers that can cut you off at anytime.
I also agree,sadly, that all its gonna take is one accident between a poker run boat and some bozo with twenty kids onboard that cuts across a pack of boats to happen to throw a blanket speed limit over all inland waters,
I cant think of any other sport where you can run wide open thru a populated public area..
so True... @ 2009 Key West Worlds I witnessed with the photographer who took pics the Aquamanias flip @ 80mph. Just because they were while testing coming to a turn at the harbour and got distracted by a jet skier....
That´s all it takes to flip a 50 Mystic...
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The sad truth about going too fast on water (or land for that matter) is that it’s the same kind of idiot that’s going to do it no matter how fast a boat can go. Does anybody thing John Tomlinson is going to do something stupid in a boat - anywhere – even if the boat could go 500 MPH? Hell no. Responsible people drive responsibly no matter where they are or what they’re driving.

So what does “too fast” mean? As I taught my son how to ski (downhill) many years ago, I told him that he always had to ski in control. “In control” meant you could ski as fast as you wanted – as long as you could still avoid any other skiers, stop or turn when you needed to, not break any rules and not piss anybody off. I’d say the same goes for boating. It’s sad that we sometimes need laws to teach people what that really is.
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We (performance crowd) are not the general public,
for the most part the general public has no clue what/when poker runs happen..
I come from a boating community and have many boating freinds.
I have had to explain to almost all of them what a poker run is. LOL...
I do agree on the loud part though!!
Loud pipes save lives..
How many seriously fast boats are on Lake Travis? I seem to see the same few ones every year. That red and purple fountain that does ~110 or so, or the occasional daytona. Of all the jackassery that i've been witness to on that lake I can't think of one instance where it was the driver of a go fast boat. It's always drunken idiots blaring rap on their ski boat, or teenagers on jetskis.
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It's always drunken idiots blaring rap on their ski boat, or teenagers on jetskis.
sounds just like the Tickfaw river every weekend
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