I say lock it! But you know this was my first ever post on oso. I asked if my boat will be worth less if its a salvage. I expected less than 10 responses. Wow, it went crazy and I appreciate it no matter your stance. How long till i'm booted off oso ? Let's take guesses. Lol

171 posts if you count the original that got locked for improper behavior

It really sucks. When did this happen Recently?

like i said man file a BBB. It might not mean much to a dealer and theres nothing legally binding them to listen to the BBB. But a negative record will most likely deter at least one future buyer.

While this is a valid observation, it goes beyond a publishing entity protecting its customer and to actually protecting itself. If I as a publisher reprint something libelous, even if I don't know it to be so, I can be sued for libel. I am not a lawyer, but I have pretty well memorized the the libel section of the Associated Press stylebook because it's kind of important given my profession, and I don't think I've misread it.

I am not saying the dispute here involved anything libelous, and I'm not concerned with who is right and wrong. I'm just addressing the subject line of the thread. So one answer to your question is:

They are covering themselves on the legal side, as well as the commerce side.

I had to reread this cause I didn't pay enough attention to it. No way 6 months could do that. You'd have to have major water in there somehow or termites. Too bad he's not in business yet.
Good luck on it. I bet it turns out great

Here you go!!!!
 

Here you go Chad.

You bring the boat back here fixed as it was before you partially sunk it with a check for the repairs to motorhome and a check for your negative equity and I will write you a check for the boat.

I do not want to trade you into another boat.

I will give you your money back less those two items that were there before you bought the boat and I will even pay your deductible even though no one has explained how there was a two week dead period we heard nothing from you and how there was a brand new impeller in the motor with a new chewed up impeller as well which should be mute if you are getting your money back.

Your call, and I will even pay your 5K dedcutible. This is a public offer. Once I get the 7K and the negative equity you rolled over I will send a wire to the bank for the difference and you can go buy whatever you want.

I hope you feel a refund is fair and that you can come up with the money to make this a good transaction and departure for both of us.

I know I said my last post was my last but I want all the people you have gotten to follow you to know you were offered a refund. Offer valid until Tuesday and boat back within 30 days fixed.

Regards,

Scott Shogren

Simple time line for you. Bought the boat in June of last year and had delivered to home in MI. Boat had a boat cover and then blue tarp put over that. I picked up the boat in OCT after getting home from deployment found issue then. Stored boat over winter and fixing now. Basically front the front of the boat to the firt bulk head where your seat and anchor locker is was destroyed underneatch. The plywood was falling apart and holesin the bulk head. Broker tried telling me it happened from June to OCT. Like I said repair shop told me at least 2-3 years in the making.

Do you really think a BBB negative report will effect this dealers rep??
Firstly if the future buyer relies on the BS that is the BBB, they are nuts.
Secondly I dont see anyone staying away from this dealer over a single event that will eventually be worked out.

The BBB is junk.

sounds kind of fair but why not give him a check minus what you feel he owes. makes no sense for him to give you checks then turn around and give him a check??

My question is why take the motorhome at the price you traded for if it needed 7k in fixing. Although a smart dealer is going to take anything on trade with a little buffer figured into the trade cost for repairs, if he were a smart dealer.

Here you go!!!!
 

Here you go Chad.

You bring the boat back here fixed as it was before you partially sunk it with a check for the repairs to motorhome and a check for your negative equity and I will write you a check for the boat.

I do not want to trade you into another boat.

I will give you your money back less those two items that were there before you bought the boat and I will even pay your deductible even though no one has explained how there was a two week dead period we heard nothing from you and how there was a brand new impeller in the motor with a new chewed up impeller as well which should be mute if you are getting your money back.

Your call, and I will even pay your 5K dedcutible. This is a public offer. Once I get the 7K and the negative equity you rolled over I will send a wire to the bank for the difference and you can go buy whatever you want.

I hope you feel a refund is fair and that you can come up with the money to make this a good transaction and departure for both of us.

I know I said my last post was my last but I want all the people you have gotten to follow you to know you were offered a refund. Offer valid until Tuesday and boat back within 30 days fixed.

Regards,

Scott Shogren

You may be right but a lot of people still look at it, and not all people are going to know that Shogren is a proposed Mecca either. Guarenteed it will keep at least on customer away in the future, specially since they have no rating or anything on the BBB right now or accreditted. So somebody shopping online might do some homework check that out and see the only report is negative. I don't care what business you are, every negative incident you have whether it be your fault or not will hurt you. That customer with a bad experience will tell at least one other person, and you know what if my buddy says dont deal with them I wont. It seems like Shogren has put a somewhat descent proposal on the table so well see.

Offer cant be any fairer than that.

I wouldnt have offered it unless this thread was pulled down.

Id have to agree as much as it sucks but seems like a good way to get out and the cheapest..

+1

Hear them crickets?

Actually I'd retract the offer. The complainer has taken this topic to yet another thread.

Scott is being too much of a gentleman.

Why have a thread pulled when it shows that a dealer was willing to do what he tought was a fair and equitable remedy to a customers problem??

HUH ?

To end the discussion that will go on for 4 more days...and to stop getting bashed and have it continue on yet another thread that has nothing to do with this.

Its gone beyond getting it resolved now.

Again Scott's not making sence to me. Why do I write you a check for negative equity if I owe it to the bank. Why do I have to pay for 7k in motorhome repairs when this is the first I even heard it needed repairs ? What about the money you made off my Baja? I'll reread that and repost when I figure it all out. Sounds like you're at the calculator. How much will you net ?

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OK. I got it I think. So basically you give me 5k, I give you 7k. You make 2k. I bottom painted it and left your business owing 11k after my deductile of 5 k. After I wrecked you led me to believe you wanted to make my boat right. But again I had to pay 5k ded. and an additional 6 grand. See that's the thing. You can't just make something right without throwing numbers around. Please explain this 7k motorhome repairs. Was there dog poop to clean out?

I'll wait for your response before I tell you to go to..........

Let me play numbers. I bought for 125k..added bottom paint for 1,800...Had you fix all the "minor" items which cost 6 grand and that was higher till we negotiated all your upcharges. 5 grand for a deductible for you prolly sinking the boat. But wait I just thought of something. There'll be no deductible cause you said it doesn't need the 31,000 dollar repair...man I confused myself

before you bought the boat, what did the survey you have done say? were there any overheating problems on your seatrial?

My Bad.. No survey. I went with reputation.. ok..you can beat me up on that mistake

oh and I was told they had it out on Lake Michigan and it ran great. The props were so unbelievably under, it would have had to be a 5th grader trialing it.. sorry 5th graders

It was never ran i must suspect. It was also said to be freshwater one owner.. Partial survey shows salt corrosion and we found 3 owners at least

You in or out
 

I give you money for boat, 5K deductible and your bottom paint money. You pay for the 7K in repairs to motorhome and I will not add the loss on the motorhome sale just the repairs. I will show you the FBW on the Baja and you can add those few dollars of profit in. All you have to do is come up with your negative which you came into transaction with and has nothing to do with anything in any of these forums.

I am not throwing anything around it seems pretty clear to me

You in or out?

Regards,

Scott Shogren

Ok, now we are going another direction again.
 

Survey has nothing to do with running on rocks and overheating Chad, sorry.

You try so many angles, why not just come up with your negative equity, and go get a new boat and have a great summer?

Regards,

Scott Shogren

oh.. and it was said to have camper top. it was delivered with no camper top. It cost us 2,000 dollars which Shogren gave 800. When should I stop. I'm telling you it has been a ridiculous ride. I never had anything like this in my life before. My poor wife is stressed to the max. This was her dream boat.

You forgot, we discussed and you understood.
 

You have beat me up pretty bad but I have nothing to hide so I have chosen to respond to your questions.

The loan has a payoff and you need to cover your negative equity. You understood this on the phone when you asked to roll into another boat but now on a board you do not understand and forgot?

You in or out on the offer? I am trying to be as stand up as I can in a public forum and you keep coming up with new angles. Maybe there is another dealer that can take entire deal and put your negative equity into one of their boats so you don't have to stroke such a big check.

There are alot of good dealers out there that may be interested in helping you. I would prefer just to get you out f boat and let you do what you want on another boat.

I am going to go spend some time with my kids and enjoy Easter, you have the offer in writing in public which I never thought I would have to do but with you it's text telling me I fix boats with squeeges and windex and that I have my c---k in my mouth and many other childish ones so I will not respond to those either.

Make up your mind, over and out

Regards,

Scott Shogren

Im sorry to ask... How did you run it on the rocks at LOTO?

It might be easy for someone like you to come up with negative equity but I already spent all my savings on the boat and repairs. I did have a 7k down payment. Not sure that matters. I think I'm out since I declared I was no longer willing to deal with you And you never would give me numbers on the Dodge. I will see how my boat turns out. If for some strange odd reason it comes up UN seaworthy, we have problems. If it surveys out way low, we have problems. If it surveys out anywhere close to 125k , I go away and never see you again.

Oh now Scotty, You're changing things around. I never said that. I said you were being cocky. Shame on you

Keep it coming!!!
 

I am not even going to comment on this Chad, it's BS but you can $1,200.00 to the deal to make you feel better, this was the deal you agreed to and you darn well know it so we paid to passify you. Changing out props no charge, fuel, etc was no good either was it? You will be tough to keep happy. I feel sorry for your wife, tell her to have a nice Easter, she's a great lady.

The real problem with forums like this is there are some people who think they can type anything they want including some of the most blatant lies trying to bully a dealer/vendor/advertiser into doing something beyond normal course of business. The businessperson has to bite his lip and not bring up the other side of the story as they will now appear to be the bully. Then there are the liable concerns as Matt addressed in his comments that consumers think do not apply to them. There have been lawsuits that are setting precedent with this very thing.

I think in this case the dealer has been very patient with an owner who is clearly over his head on a large boat. Drove it over rocks, overheated it a few times, and then sunk it. Now wants his money back by bullying the dealer? The dealer offered you a settlement if you really want out take the deal. If not stop this nonsense. You have insurance and you have a nice boat. Leave it at that.

A survey and seatrial would have found salt corrosion, overheating problems and verified canvas that was supposed to be there was there.... you failed to do due diligence as a buyer. You bought a house without an inspection found out had termites and blew up the furness because the filter was plugged..sucks to be you man.

I think we're hitting the grand finale !!!

I say take that offer and shove off. I can always use that offer in court now that it was offered.

I guess you don't know what my wife says about you...haha.

You're a business man making money off Shogren so you are invalid.

Go On and Take the Money and RUN!

Yes....I hear the tune in my head!

Do what you have to do, your full of hot air
 

Do what you have to do.

You get offered your money back then throw out court.

You have alot to explain my friend in court, I promise but instead of throwing you under the bus I made an offer that you asked for and now you spin again.

You're a tool, good night and good luck.

See you at the lake.

Scott Shogren

Guilty... man they had a good reputation. And bragged on themselves so much I was sold