How or why does a thread get locked ?
 

I had a cool thread going, then when Shogren posted the last post, it got locked. Hmmmmmm.

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It appears I'm the only one locked out of my own thread. Wow. Truth hurts. Talk about censorship. I paid my fee too.

Fixx
 

Trend tools,,see if you can unlock it..

ok..I'll try

Nope. I got locked out ! LMAO. Shogren posted last then I was immediately locked out. I don't even have the option to delete the thread. I'm out !!:bsflag:

I have read through this post and have kept up to date on this and here are my thoughts on it. This is by no means a ding or approval for the Op or the dealer shrogren.

After reading this whole thread I find it kind of confusing of what the Op wants out of this but at the same time feel for him. Whenever you buy a peice of machinery this goes to show you have to be careful of what your buying and from who regardless of pvt sale or a dealer/broker. Ive had my own issues and seems a dealer or pvt seller have the potential to hose you over whether it be on purpose or not.

If you buy a boat its yours once it leaves the lot and in this situation it's hard to say what happened in this two period. But at the same time if you buy something from a dealer specially something that is this high of caliber you expect it to work and not break in the first month or so. To me whether its new or used the dealer has the responsibility to send a boat out thats free of known defects and will work for a considerable amount of time under normal operating conditions and no abuse .

I dont know what has been offered and talked about between these two parties but to me the right thing to do would be shrogren repairs the boat or takes the boat back and issues a boat at similar value. I dont think its shrogrens job to give a full reimbursement. Shrogren took the boat and sold thus its their liability to whether they knew the history or not to sell a correct boat that they advertised.

As for the buyer I don't think there is anything legally you can do because it seems shrogren was honest with the history. But they do owe you a good boat. I would file a BBB complaint first and if no correction comes from that file a complaint with your states Attorney general.

now you can keep it going. I belong to camaro forum and the same things happen. As soon as one their sponsors starts getting bashed they close it. But your thread was going nowhere kind of.

You are right. It was going nowhere.. It's been a nightmare. I saw your post but couldn't say anything. I actually was going to get out of it anyway. All of our talks, I NEVER get the last word..haha..Thanks for the advice..Talk later

Yup good luck. I feel your pain I bought a fountain not at the exspense you did but found 4 grand in damage after I took possesion of it. Wel I was deployed overseas when I bought it and boat sat for 6 months with two covers on it. Well I came home to find a boat with half of the cabin rotted out. Broker claimed that it did that damage in 6 months, I didnt think so either does the repairman. Use the BBB you might never get out of it what you want but be reasonable when you file its all on line and takes 10mins. Either way it will be a stain on their record if they dont offer anything. But if somebody is willing to hose a combat vet they will not hestiate to hose you either

$$$ paying advertiser = CLOSED thread & protected from any bad vibes .... carry on

The thread is closed for everyone to post.

I must say I'm surprised how you progressed with your thread. I will be honest...I don't agree with your thread being locked...but I can see why after the last post.

IMHO you cost your dealer more than your loss(in bad advertising) who I'm sure all would agree was bending over backwards to resolve this problem. I don't usually say things like this...but you sound like you drove the boat like an airhead blond. You know the type....the engine lights on or the oil pressure light...drive it til it quits or if they get lucky made it home as you did.

If you continue on your path with your train of thought I say your dealer should just brush you off and tell you to go F yourself!

Most of the boat dealers I have delt with in my past would have told you to F yourself on the 1st call!

Sorry and hope you resolve this......Ever heard of give the man a chance?

little harsh there I doubt somebody with a boat that cost that much is going to drive like they stole it, maybe though. But your right he probably already cost them more than it would have cost just to fix it. I saw shogrens answers was to take it back on trade, if thats the case I hope the trade would be the same they sold it to him for. My opinion on this is Shogren probably didnt know the history, maybe they checked as hard as they could maybe they didnt. But once this all came to light they should have taken the boat immediately or fixed it.

I been giving the man a chance since last October. Read all the thread and I think your own questions will be answered. I been boating for 25 years and this is my first real problem. Get the facts...:lolhit:

I think we should try to keep this thread about censorship. I'd love to shift gears. WTH?

censorship always boils down to two things. Either way money is involved and people want to make as much as possible and have no road blocks and will run over anybody that gets in the way. Or second people want others to behave how they want them too, usually for money so revert back to number one. But can be other reasons why they want to act a certain way like political or religous beleifs

That my friend was very well put.. I like that

Not having been a paying member on this site for all that long, but reading and enjoying OSO for years, I have noticed a distinct and concise thread locking pattern.

If there is a direct threat, or a demeaning attitude toward a member by another, the thread gets locked.

If there is any type of racial commentary, the thread gets deleted or locked.

If a paid advertiser comes under fire by a member, or a group of members, the thread is DELETED or locked.

Excessive profanity, same thing...

I know I am missing lots of other reasons, but I still can't figure out why certain members have gotten banned, or some of the more controversial posts locked or deleted???

Censorship is good to a point but... On OSO BS walks and reality talks.

You are not able to come on OSO and say, do, or be, something that you are not, for very long so why not just leave some of these threads alone?:eek:

You bought a boat without even looking at it????????????? :eek:

If I was deployed overseas, I think I would have kept banking the boat fund untill I got home, then bought one with a survey... but hey, Im just a drunken muppet....

yup stupid now I am to the point of putting a collection can out because of this. But I paid for an inspection and had videos taken. Well hind sight is 20/20 and probably the worst choice of my life. Paid somebody almost 200 bucks to make sure engines ran and there were no leaks. So I dont know.

To put it this way. I have been dreaming of a Fountain since I was a boy and finally had the money to pull the trigger. Well where I live finding a fountain is few and far between and most likely had to go out of state, which I did. I live in Upstate NY boat was bought in IL and trucked to my parents in MI then hauled it back when I got back. Well being in the Army a lot of things you cant do because to be frank your not home that much. I was hoping to come home to the boat of my dreams after a hard deployment and hitting the water in the boat Ive always wanted. Well now I am paying 4 grand before it can even hit the water. THe money bothers me but it's just sickening over all to me because its been a want for such a long time and I finally made it happen. I almost wish I could return it and have a brand new one or a newer one but that I could never afford.

Lest ye forget, that oso is a privately held forum by IB. It is a profit making enterprise. If you had a buisness, would you let someone walk inthe front door and start biotching to one of your valued paying customers???? This is a private co. as such they may regulate the content as they see fit. If you dont like it, there are several other boating related boards out there you are more then welcome to try.

If you have been boating for 25 years...why in the world would you drive a boat that is new to you with smoke coming out of the engine compartment? I guess that is the statement that definately swayed my opinion from neutral!

I will get back on topic....I think your thread should be unlocked...if for no other reason than for all to know the outcome! No one enjoys censorship.

Fountain4402, for what is worth, your anxiousness and impatience cost you, lesson learned but at the same, taking advantage of a serviceman deployed in a time of war or not is an absolutely deplorable act not to mention complete bullsh!t.... If someone purposefully boned you, they deserve to be swimming with the fishes. I thank you for your service.

I just reread the entire thread and it appears that Scott is more than willing to help you and that he would like to get to the bottom of the original issues. I would look into an amicable trade and move on. Just my .02

Yes. It would seem like that on here. Did you read where I'd lose 18k by my figuring and the numbers he gave? Of course now he says we never talked numbers. Me and my wife were having lunch and I was talking numbers on the phone. But really, cencorship? I paid money


Oh ya. Why wouldn't he give me the same money in a different boat that is on the sales contract for the one I have now ? I don't understand

You pay money to go to the movies...does that mean you can take in your own munchies, stand up during the middle of the movie and critique it at the top of your lungs??

Speak the truth instead of continually stirring it up and forum jumping
 

The trade is not as easy because he buried alot of negative equity into it and then traded in a motorhome that we were told needed nothing!! That is other than the almost 7K I had to put into it to sell it.

Those of you that have moved negative equity from one boat to the other know that this is hard sometimes.

I have offered more than once to take it on trade and or pick it up the day the problem happened and advised customer to see how insurance wanted to handle then let me know what I could do to be of help.

I have been doing this for a long time and have not made 100% of the people happy 100% of the time but have always tried to do what is right.

Maybe he's just mad because we would not write up a fraudulent claim for him to bury his deductible.

When you first got boat you had a couple minor items and we jumped thru hoops and sent CPR there to fix immediately for you so I am not sure on your October claim non sense, the boat sank in March 2011. I came down later that fall and brought you a new set of props and everything was great, not sure how all this is changed as well now.

This is my last post on this thread, sorry but I thought the truth was important.

Chad, it's time to move on bud.

Regards,

Scott Shogren

I don't know much about Shogren Performance Marine other than they have some big $$$$ boats for sale and spend big $$$$ advertising the business...

Man, If I owned that company, I'd just give Chad his $$$ back and call it good, take the loss if necessary, and just be done with it.

This bad press is gonna do some damage I'd think?

What are your thoughts, would it not?:eek:

thank goodness theres other shops like Eddie Young, mark Boos@ precision, Mike D @ Sterling that get nothing but praise ,dont need cencorship, and they dont have additional accounts on OSO and pump there own company :eek:and get caught :lolhit: carry on :drink:

YEp...aswell as to often the wrong peeps get banned for telling the truth on here !!!!:lolhit:

I would have to agree give him the money back he bought the boat for give him another boat of the same value. This whole figuring his trade of the motorhome and this and that is just wishy washy. Taking it back on trade as if hes coming in for a anoter boat and giving him less value is robbery

I agree if I had a business I would do the same thing. Doesnt make it right though

I think steam's coming out his ears man. 6k of minor items. Sent me mismatched props. One throttl at half, one 3/4. Hmmm. And you ups'd them and I had to pay a haul out to install. Had i not hit rocks, i'd have to do it again. Now no matter my equity situation. Thats in my loan. How does that mean I get a cheaper boat? Will you pay the additional to my loan? You make no sence to me And thats why we fight

aggreed and thanks for your post. That is why I asked the broker to pay half of the cost, and he replied that it would be a good project for me to work on and be do it your selfer. Well when it comes to boat structure I am not a pro and the material alone is close to a grand. I think hes out of business now and I can see why. He should have done the right thing and gave me 1500 as I asked and he would still have made money. But as service member I dont expect anything, but I dont expect to get it up the you know what while I am gone either

Bringing up my financial hardship is not nice, BUD

I will agree with scott I dont think giving you your money back isnt right. But if you paid x dollar then he should take the boat back and give you x credit for another boat not X-y-z= credit. Thats the right thing bottom line. He wants to play with this calculator and all so he can make a profit off of this. Sometimes as a business you have to take a loss to keep customers and promote your name. Growing up my mother ran a floral shop, I remember her running out late on wedding nights fixing things and replacing things that were due to customer negligence just to make them happy and do the right thing.

Getting out of this mess for $18k is not that bad a deal (IMHO). You are going to spend that on attorneys fees in the opening shots if this thing ever went to court.

I think everyone can tell I'm no longer listening to his wheelin and dealin. I either go awAy if my boat surveys out right and is seaworthy or I go to the next step to be determined. I may end up with a worse boat anyway. I lost trust way back

This has turned into a bash the dealer thread. I see it being locked as well.

As a dealer I see valid points on both sides. When you do any kind of sales volume your bound to have some sales that don't go 100%.
After reading the thread it seems like the dealer will do what he can to fix this situation. I hate when stuff goes bad like this. Makes me think I have rocks in my head for being so trusting. Good luck with this and hopefully you guys can work together and come to an agreement of some sort.