Outerlimits "no disipline"
 

Running around the Freeport area...Beautiful boat but maybe you should go offshore you have the boat for it ..lots of kids on jetskis and people taking
it easy in the inside channels..really dont need you flying around like an ass:coolcowboy:..be careful dude...

he has just as much right as you do to go where he wants..

Wonder if that's the same boat from toms river he lived down the street from me. Nice boat always watched it go down the bay. Maybe he sold it?

Correct- but we all have a responsibility to all our fellow boaters to not put anybody in jeopardy. Last week in the Keys I saw a boater doing 80+ blow by a boat doing 30 in the channel enterance, missing him by approx 5 feet and getting them wet with the rooster tail- unfortunately for him, so did the Coast Guard. Don't know what they cited him for, but he def got a ticket, probably for unsafe operation. We all share the link of loving to be on the water, a little common sense can go a long ways. Imagine how you would feel if one of those dumbas$ jet skiers wandering into your way when youre running full speed past them? Whether you had the right of way or not, be a tough thing to live with if you kill somebody because youre in a hurry to get somewhere.

Thank you GOFASTSCOTT, you get it..

absolutely & beautiful boat as well

agreed

Boat is a 39 Outerlimits that we sold from the factory. The owner keeps the boat at Al Grovers marina.

Well said!

its a beautiful boat i've seen it many times every time it seemed very much under control and safe. it is possible to go fast and still be safe. As far as kids on jetskis they should stay on a specific heading not zig zagging their way threw channels, thats unsafe. people taking it easy should stay to the right just like on a highway this makes it safe to over take them at high speeds. im sure from the captains vantage point his pass was safely executed or else he would not of done it, period.

This is not even close. If the guys with the "big loud performance boats" endanger or are perceived to endanger others we all will pay with further restrictions. Well Put Scott.
Steve

Like I ALWAYS say...... some people may have enough money to buy anything they want but unfortunately you CAN'T buy common sense!
Quite often it's the "elite" who feel they are above the law cause a tragedy and buy their way out leaving the average person to suffer the lifelong consequenses. Sure they guy with the 1.2 million dollar boat has every right to go where he want's but maybe should take a boaters safety class. :op:

I thought "No Discipline" was a 42' ? No?

There's been a 37,39,42, and 46 No Discipline Outerlimits. Here's a pic of the boat going slow through a no wake zone yesterday.

Ah... Thanks for the clarification. A customer of mine looked at the 42 a few years back, I believe it was in Virginia? I think it was about a 2000, and had Merc 800SC's at the time.

North Carolina at the time and originally from NJ. It is now down in the Islands somewhere with the plan to hang outboards on it.

wheres the "Like" button!

I agree with scott. Its amazing the lack of common sense people have. But in the drivers eyes what he was doing made all the sense in the world to him. Thats the problem. Some people are just wired differently. They dont learn till something happens.

99% of the the performance boat owners that I have met are responsible operators who have taken the time to learn the safe operation of their equipment. This perception that many speedboat owners have more money than brains, or feel that they are above the law, bugs me. Let's face it- money doesn't fall out of the sky anymore so if you are still able to own, maintain, and operate one of these boats today chances are that you have a head on your shoulders and have been successful in many aspects of your life.

I don't know anything about the specific situation, or boat, being discussed here. I do know that there is a way to go fast safely, and just because you are going fast does not automatically mean that you are doing anything wrong despite what the bitter sailboaters want to believe. Sure, we have a duty to be careful in crowded areas and go slow when necessary. But, jet skiers and guys in little flats boats have just as much of an obligation to adhere to the rules of the road and avoid us just as we try to avoid them. I know that they think that they are in the right and I'm in the the wrong just because my boat is bigger, or loader, or faster, so they can do whatever they want, but that just isn't the case.

remember this..Sad..lets not have this happen EVER again..be safe all!!!

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=357447&page=1

Dan, I sent you that picture you a22clown.

Saw him running yesterday (when that picture was taken) and he seemed to be operating safely. Took his turns wide, away from traffic and kept it slow around the populated areas. What specifically did he do that was unsafe? The jetskiers around freeport are reckless at best.

Rich, you can't go around making sense all the time. You will just further your point if you do. :lolhit:


My personal opinion is that the guy that needs the boating course is usually the kid on the JetSki. They have no idea what MARINE RULES AND LAW entail and just think it's like a skateboard on the water.

Yes you did h-mo!!:D

Before we rally the posse and get the rope, lets chill a bit. First, the way I see it, is the owner of “No Discipline” has owned several high performance boats and as visible and well known as those boats are and as much as he’s used them, I’ve never heard or read of any instance where he’s done something that could be construed dangerous. In other words, (as Rich said) I’m sure the owner uses common sense routinely and although the perception by one individual was that he wasn’t using that common sense, none of us were there to form an educated opinion and the owner operator isn’t on here defending himself.

Sounded like he was running legally in an area that some may feel he should not have running at speed. I don’t know how close he got to others (as it was pretty general in the first post) but there was never any reference of him coming too close, just that he was in the general area of others. Being 5’ and 100 yards from someone is too completely different things.

Carry on a whole thread about safe boating practices, not using common sense, doing stupid stuff all day long but I think it a bit un-fair to demonize a guy when we weren’t there or at the very least throw him under the bus when he’s not even on here to tell his side of the story.

Pete Mazzo does not own this 39 No Discipline anymore and hasnt since he bought his 46 in 2005. And I actually agree with you Tank!:D

See, theres a first for everything:drink:

my post was clear .. the inside creeks ( as we call them here on LI) are tight and are probably not the safest place to be doing +/-80 mph in a 40' boat ..no matter what boat or who is driving it ..I have kids that take their 13' whaler in those creeks and thats not cool..

I am friends with the current owner of "No Disipline"....he keeps the boat in the same marina as me.......can't speak of what you saw yesterday but have seen him out plenty of times and he always seems to run his rig responsibly........sometimes you just have to get on it just to get away from all the other idiots in the back bays.........

So basically what you're saying is there should be a speed limit.

I've never boated in Li. and don't know what an inside creek is. It almost sounds like the river that runs north and south of Havasu. Narrow (very narrow at some points) and windy. No speed limits and people routinely run over 100mph up and down the river.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to argue with you but in your first post you never said how close he came to anyone. Just that it's near jetskiers and other boats.

By the way, big fan of Whalers!

Johnny, boat looked CLEAN at braccos. You looked pretty busy, didn't want to bother you. Boat sounded pretty healthy when ya pulled out. :coolcowboy:

Here is the cut he is referring too...

+++1
Far too well thought out of a post for a weekend:grinser010:

Thanks......never to busy.....next time say hello.....I seen you pull in and knew it was you....I just lost track of where you went...I didn't want to introduce myself to one of your friends and look like an idiot......next time I see your boat at your house I am going to pull over and introduce myself.......and your boat is looking and sounding sweet too.......

Mastercraft240 and Johnny, I'm fairly familiar w/ these flats and the activity that goes on here. Do either of you run 70-80 in these cuts? And IMO, reynolds channel is a different ballgame than the backwaters.

BTW, i don't think it's the Jetskiers i'd be concerned with, its small skiffs drifting for flounder, or waterskiiers, or even kids swimming off the boats(not smart, but happens).

IMO, 45-50 is about the max i'd wanna be going in these waters. Visibility at speed becomes an issue while making blind turns.

Responsiblity. My father still slows down his 40ft sportfisher for small boats drifting in the channel, as not to rock them or cause a dangerous situation; ie: having someone falldown, or even overboard.

It doesn't take much to cause a disaster on the water.
Why not try to limit the probability?

Also, at the point where speed was seen per the OP, the boat was probably all of 12 minutes from the inlet to the Atlantic, at idle speed. I think the OP's main point is, why not play where it's safe?

I've ran these water's w/ MagnumMark in his old 41... from Al Grovers and out the inlet. He would get up on plane in a no wake zone, but he was never over 40-45. He's been running those waters since the 60s.

Looking forward to it Johnny!

Stormrider,
I usually stay under 55 and frequently drop into the 30's to navigate outside of the traffic. I'm not too sure no decline was pulling 80 in there. He waited quite a while to start up after going under the loop parkway bridge.

This is a useless thread. What does "Running around the Freeport area" mean? A few of us "run around the Freeport area all the time" This is all hearsay. I've never seen any performance powerboater in my area speed in a no wake zone, or be unsafe, actually I believe we are much safer and respect the rules more than most. We already know we have the police and bay constables looking at us.

I agree......and besides 99% of the time I am running no faster then 30mph......people just think I am going 80mph because it sounds like I am.......

I agree, its all hearsay.
But I do remember the accident with the hustler.
And i thought you guys wouldn't be running those speeds in the 'creeks'.

BTW does this OL have an orange/red color scheme?
There used to be one on a lift in Long Beach.

Thats Joey's boat. I believe a 39 Quatro with 525's.

I really only wanted to convey the point ..to be safe ..thats all..and I am glad the post just gives everyone something to think about..