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Interceptor 06-17-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Fountain4402 (Post 3431551)
Yup a 29 fountain with 350's, good job mindless monkey actually has six cylinders in it and goes 25mph. A little 22ft scarab, joke man hope you take it out of you backyard pond some day, cheap ass chit. When you wanna be a big boy buy a real boat, but I know how it is you make just enough to get buy, and this is what you can do to get out on the water, thats fine. Enough with you its like talking to a hyped up 7th grader. In meantime go back into the whole you belong.

Obviously you know these statements will follow you on this website for a long time, especially if you ever need some help.
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articfriends 06-17-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Fountain4402 (Post 3431357)
You dont listen or pay attention must be little mans syndrome in a little boat. Either way I didnt say a lawyer wasnt needed in every case I said cases where they dont have anything on you. Ie somebody calls because they think they saw you steal something, or a case where police just have a hunch,

In your case the police could have probable cause because they were watching you. And second you denied a breath test, which at that point is an automatic arrest. At which time they would probably get a warrant for your blood most likely. Which would show wether you were drunk or not. In this case I would reccommend a lawyer. But if you only had two and had been sitting out all day I would have just taken the test and been on my way. So I didnt say every case, only cases where they didnt have anything on you.

Funny you mention the volunteering to blow the PBT, I have done this MANY times and was always legal. 10 plus years ago the bay county sheriff got breathalyzers for there water patrol and they were determined to make every boater they came across submit , it was blatant harassment BUT it saved lot of wasted time to just do it as you were guaranteed to get pulled over if they didn't have another boat tied to them as you passed and they wanted everyone to play there stupid game anyways. They went so far as to sit outside of hooters and pull every boat over as it left the dock for a "safety" inspection. I was part of a group that came together in a harassment lawsuit, it never got to court before the Sheriff declared there would be no more boater harassment in his town if you weren't doing anything wrong, Smitty

Fountain4402 06-17-2011 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 3431564)
Funny you mention the volunteering to blow the PBT, I have done this MANY times and was always legal. 10 plus years ago the bay county sheriff got breathalyzers for there water patrol and they were determined to make every boater they came across submit , it was blatant harassment BUT it saved lot of wasted time to just do it as you were guaranteed to get pulled over if they didn't have another boat tied to them as you passed and they wanted everyone to play there stupid game anyways. They went so far as to sit outside of hooters and pull every boat over as it left the dock for a "safety" inspection. I was part of a group that came together in a harassment lawsuit, it never got to court before the Sheriff declared there would be no more boater harassment in his town if you weren't doing anything wrong, Smitty

I would agree that is harrassment but they will just do everybody, if they do everybody then it''s not harrassment. Just like when they do it with cars and blockades on the side of the road.

We can what if and strategize this to death. My intial response was for the whiners to stop whining. And Ill leave it off at this. If you do the right thing, 99% of the time the police will leave you alone and the one 1% of the time they dont leave you alone as long as you cooperate they will probably still leave you alone. I don't always like it but there are rules and are random checks, thats how it is, nothing you or I can do that will change it. Most of the people on here arent even from OK, so who cares. And for the lawyers out there congrats, some of you are worth a lot some of you arent, just like any other profession. And my biggest advice for anybody facing the police or charges is to keep your mouth SHUT. Notice I did not say to NOT cooperate with them, name, DL, basic info and thats it. Of course theres going to be my buddy said and what if, but let me tell you Ive drank and drank alot, but guess what never been pulled over wanna know why, more than one beer I dont drive at all. Im not perfect but it goes with any law, if you dont speed you wont get pulled over for it, its the same thing with drinking.

Interceptor I have no problem with you or anybody else here. I like others opinions and agree and disagree with others and probably vice versa. There are some squirrels on here that just like to add to the fire and chirp in just to chirp in and really dont have much to say whether it be right or wrong you know who you are.

scarab63 06-17-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fountain4402 (Post 3431551)
Yup a 29 fountain with 350's, good job mindless monkey actually has six cylinders in it and goes 25mph. A little 22ft scarab, joke man hope you take it out of you backyard pond some day, cheap ass chit. When you wanna be a big boy buy a real boat, but I know how it is you make just enough to get buy, and this is what you can do to get out on the water, thats fine. Enough with you its like talking to a hyped up 7th grader. In meantime go back into the whole you belong.

And PS nobody wants an old 22ft with nothing in it, scrap it or make into a backyard flower garden.

Your right it is a little 22' but notice in my add that it says everything is SOLID? Haha! Also just to prove how you handle things... notice how I'm just dogging on your punky fountain, and not fountains as a whole. I'm smart enough to know that would bite me in the azz. I like fountains, scarabs, and any boat. Big or small so long as they're SOLID!I'm going to buy another boat next week, and guess what I'm experienced.enough to do a personal inspection on it before the sale!
Your also correct about my finances. I make enough to get by comfortably and throw some cash at a boat. Which I would also guess is the case of many OSO ers.

Since when are 25 yr old mp's at the top of the pay scale?

And finally I'm glad I struck a nerve. You handled yourself very rationally and diplomatically!
Retard

Fountain4402 06-17-2011 12:28 PM

25 year old Mp, you couldnt be more wrong, and maybe I was an officer which pays pretty dang good there guy. I am no longer in the military and not 25, which wouldnt matter anyways. Again skipping around the issues like a mindless monkey because you have nothing, get a education or a job bro, you might get a little smarter not much but a little. Solid I dont really care, who would want that dinghy, give a me a break. And you cant look at something when you arent even in the same country can you. You know what it cost more money to fix my fountain that what that raft of yours is worth, so Im done with you little troll, trust me scrap that pile of your while your ahead. For somebody that is almost 50 I would think you might be a little wiser, but I guess not. Your not worth the time anymore, this was one fun while it lasted but time to stop messing with a 1st grader, se ya.

scarab63 06-17-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fountain4402 (Post 3431634)
25 year old Mp, you couldnt be more wrong, and maybe I was an officer which pays pretty dang good there guy. I am no longer in the military and not 25, which wouldnt matter anyways. Again skipping around the issues like a mindless monkey because you have nothing, get a education or a job bro, you might get a little smarter not much but a little. Solid I dont really care, who would want that dinghy, give a me a break. And you cant look at something when you arent even in the same country can you. You know what it cost more money to fix my fountain that what that raft of yours is worth, so Im done with you little troll, trust me scrap that pile of your while your ahead. For somebody that is almost 50 I would think you might be a little wiser, but I guess not. Your not worth the time anymore, this was one fun while it lasted but time to stop messing with a 1st grader, se ya.

Ok sorry. Your right

Fountain4402 06-17-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by scarab63 (Post 3431644)
Ok sorry. Your right

im burrying the hatchet with you. Whats done is done. Ill leave you alone and vice versa. have a good weekend

scarab63 06-17-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fountain4402 (Post 3431662)
im burrying the hatchet with you. Whats done is done. Ill leave you alone and vice versa. have a good weekend

I was being sarcast. I'm done because its taking away from this thread. It was easy to prove how immature, inexperienced, and retarded you really are though. Now back to my ' whole' ....oh ya its spelled hole retard. Go gun some beers and hop on your lawn mower , and ill hope for the best.
Mike

Strip Poker 388 06-17-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 3431564)
Funny you mention the volunteering to blow the PBT, I have done this MANY times and was always legal. 10 plus years ago the bay county sheriff got breathalyzers for there water patrol and they were determined to make every boater they came across submit , it was blatant harassment BUT it saved lot of wasted time to just do it as you were guaranteed to get pulled over if they didn't have another boat tied to them as you passed and they wanted everyone to play there stupid game anyways. They went so far as to sit outside of hooters and pull every boat over as it left the dock for a "safety" inspection. I was part of a group that came together in a harassment lawsuit, it never got to court before the Sheriff declared there would be no more boater harassment in his town if you weren't doing anything wrong, Smitty



Hooooters on the water? That would be nice:D

HiPerf2000 06-17-2011 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388 (Post 3431716)
Hooooters on the water? That would be nice:D

we used to have a hooters on the water.......until....

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...t-hooters.html

Fountain4402 06-17-2011 02:49 PM

that would be fun there is one in FT lauderdale

Smarty 06-17-2011 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fountain4402 (Post 3431548)
At that point probably. But then they would probably be hitting you with reckless driving/endangerment, and not DUI

You assumption is accurate in most instances, factually dependent. Reckless Driving violation in New Jersey can result in a a jail sentence of up to 60 days, 5 Motor Vehicle points assessed by the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission (which will have an impact on your insurance rate(s), a typically a suspension of the driving privileges of 30 to 60 days (sometimes no suspension of driving privileges), plus a fine. It is a serious violation. The cost benefit analysis of hiring an attorney, what we are worth top a particular person varies, it is all up to the person charged.

oksunny 06-19-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigeman (Post 3431250)
Ok first off no need to come across as a dick. You got the real story in the first post. GRDA came aboard for a safety inspection (I've had a bunch of these) "Doc" walked him through and he checked to two tied up boats while he was at it. From there he began giving Doc **** about the beer in his hand as he was the self stated "el capitano" and "in charge of the vessel". We weren't in the Drip as they all had family. As for the cove, idk the exact name as Grand isn't my home lake. Sorry to burst your bubble. We were in an arm by ourselves Not real far from woodland shores i think he said. Forgive me for not being a walking grand map. We had no music, unless you count children laughing as music or a disturbance.

On a good note, "Doc" said today his lawyer is pretty sure the DA is gonna drop the BUI charge. I didn't ask him if they were pleading it down to something else or not. I kind of assumed so.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, I have just lived up at grand since 1981 and have lots of experience with the GRDA and I can say in over 30 years I have only seen 2 people taken to jail.

Basically they will warn you and you really have to F****p to get hauled to jail. Due to how many counties the lake comprises, it's a real pain for them to take you to jail they have to take you back to their station then drive you by car to the county jail in the county where the incident happened so it can take hours to get you to the slammer and booked. So they try and warn you. Tell you to stop the behavior and they go overboard to not have an arrest. Both of the arrests I have seen over the years were because people mouthed off and didn't show respect and did what they were warned not to do at least 4 or 5 times. They all pushed the limit to far and they got to go see the judge

The reason I would like to know what cove it happened in is grand lake is divided into 2 patrol districts and the location would indicate what district your incident took place in. This would also tell us what county it happened in so the public access records can be seen by all. Because I am pretty sure there were not that many BUI charges that weekend. Hence easy to find the report on and supply all the details.

I have spent the last 2 weekends at the drip which has more GRDA patrol than anywhere on the lake and there were no issues with people drinking beer, or drinking from cups. Believe me there were lots of people doing that, on boats at anchor and floating in the water. So if they were making a major issue of it they could have hauled at least 100 people to the pokey this weekend.


That's why I think those of us who live at Grand and spend our time there are somewhat puzzled by your story, from what I have seen and the GRDA guys I know, it just seems really out of the norm.

nards444 06-20-2011 09:49 AM

hey guys long time lurker. Heres my take

Bottom line if you dont drink and drive you will not have a problem. Every year we sit here and B**** about how this state is doing this or. Well I dont see anybody moving where they live or selling their boats because of this. We can all get big balls and say were getting a lawyer were getting this and that. Bottom line again if you drink then attempt to operate you run the risk. Just like speeding once you speed your over the limit trying to back and argue I wasnt going that fast, the cops gun was off, bla bla. Just give it a rest. Take responsibility for your actions and do the right thing.

PhantomChaos 06-20-2011 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nards444 (Post 3433288)
hey guys long time lurker. Heres my take

Bottom line if you dont drink and drive you will not have a problem. Every year we sit here and B**** about how this state is doing this or. Well I dont see anybody moving where they live or selling their boats because of this. We can all get big balls and say were getting a lawyer were getting this and that. Bottom line again if you drink then attempt to operate you run the risk. Just like speeding once you speed your over the limit trying to back and argue I wasnt going that fast, the cops gun was off, bla bla. Just give it a rest. Take responsibility for your actions and do the right thing.

Did you read the thread?

X-Rated30 06-20-2011 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444 (Post 3433288)
hey guys long time lurker. Heres my take

Bottom line if you dont drink and drive you will not have a problem. Every year we sit here and B**** about how this state is doing this or. Well I dont see anybody moving where they live or selling their boats because of this. We can all get big balls and say were getting a lawyer were getting this and that. Bottom line again if you drink then attempt to operate you run the risk. Just like speeding once you speed your over the limit trying to back and argue I wasnt going that fast, the cops gun was off, bla bla. Just give it a rest. Take responsibility for your actions and do the right thing.

You sound like the type of guy that likes redlight cameras and speed trap vans where they send you a ticket in the mail. I mean, if you don't speed or run red lights, why not?

omerta one 06-20-2011 02:04 PM

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This pretty much sums it up... "Come here on vacation; Go home on probation"

Smarty 06-20-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by X-Rated30 (Post 3433457)
You sound like the type of guy that likes redlight cameras and speed trap vans where they send you a ticket in the mail. I mean, if you don't speed or run red lights, why not?

Interesting you mentioned the traffic light with the cameras which generates a ticket if you supposedly run a red light. I would love to take a class action suit against that manufacturer of the traffic light camera technology. It has been found (in one NJ town) that the yellow light, which was for a duration at of 2.3-2.5 seconds before turning to a red light with the old traffic light system, (not sure of the exact duration) at one particular intersection had been calibrated to an interval of 1.6 seconds (again not sure of the exact duration) with the replacement camera traffic light technology, and that particular light was cranking out more than $25K in fines per month, that should not have been ticketed due to the extremely quick yellow light.

It was really a nice money maker for the town under the guise of the public safety pitch, and the "we are saving lives" line. To me it was a another way to generate revenue.

nards444 06-20-2011 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by X-Rated30 (Post 3433457)
You sound like the type of guy that likes redlight cameras and speed trap vans where they send you a ticket in the mail. I mean, if you don't speed or run red lights, why not?

do the crime do the time. Dont do anything wrong and youll be fine. Has worked for me

Smarty 06-20-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444 (Post 3433661)
do the crime do the time. Dont do anything wrong and youll be fine. Has worked for me

There are people getting wrongly accused, you have been fortunate thus far in life. Some are not so fortunate. Some people are haters, sometimes sh*t happens.

PhantomChaos 06-20-2011 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444 (Post 3433661)
do the crime do the time. Dont do anything wrong and youll be fine. Has worked for me

The original post was that the guy got arrested for BUI under the premise of a safety check in his houseboat that was anchored for the night. Did I read that wrong?

PARADISE ISLAND 06-20-2011 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fountain4402 (Post 3429692)
Nope higher than that. I know what your getting at. And I think the divide is your a lawyer, I'm in the enforcement arena. Laywers jobs are to pick apart the law to find small mistakes that the justice system made or to confuse a jury on what the law or case really is. Enforcements job is to enforce the law how they sometimes interpret the law, sometimes they do bad and sometimes do good. Theres just a lot of big talk in here and everything I've see is you dont get away with it, and the ones that do SPEND big money.

A peice of advice for you all out there your best defense is silence. Most of the time COPS do not have evidence on you they talk you into telling the whole story. You dont know how many times in court Ive seen defendants come in and the COPS didnt have anything on them, and the defendents talking themselves into a conviction. Personally on a lot of things dont waste your time on a lawyer, if and when you get arrested dont say anything, but dont be a pain in the ace either. Get to court plead the fifth, the burden of proof on the prosecution.

Crossing guard?:evilb:

nards444 06-20-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 3433757)
The original post was that the guy got arrested for BUI under the premise of a safety check in his houseboat that was anchored for the night. Did I read that wrong?

Either way dude. I may have been fortunate in life, and as I look back theres a few things Ive gotten away with but for the most part I don't put my self in the situation to get into trouble that includes not being in the wrong place, the wrong time, or with the wrong people.


I more of less was commenting on the whole attitude of this law is BS and we can have fun anymore, cry cry cry. Maybe Im a lame dick, but I have a boat, drink and have fun like the rest of you, but have never worried about DUI.

PhantomChaos 06-20-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444 (Post 3433827)
Either way dude. I may have been fortunate in life, and as I look back theres a few things Ive gotten away with but for the most part I don't put my self in the situation to get into trouble that includes not being in the wrong place, the wrong time, or with the wrong people.


I more of less was commenting on the whole attitude of this law is BS and we can have fun anymore, cry cry cry. Maybe Im a lame dick, but I have a boat, drink and have fun like the rest of you, but have never worried about DUI.

Huh? Do you need it spelled out?

Baja_342 06-20-2011 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444 (Post 3433827)
Either way dude. I may have been fortunate in life, and as I look back theres a few things Ive gotten away with but for the most part I don't put my self in the situation to get into trouble that includes not being in the wrong place, the wrong time, or with the wrong people.


I more of less was commenting on the whole attitude of this law is BS and we can have fun anymore, cry cry cry. Maybe Im a lame dick, but I have a boat, drink and have fun like the rest of you, but have never worried about DUI.

444 and 4402 must circle jerk together, I mean boat together in NY:grinser010:

Planetwarmer 06-21-2011 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Baja_302 (Post 3433920)
444 and 4402 must circle jerk together, I mean boat together in NY:grinser010:

:drink::lolhit::drink:

both from NY, both signed on May of 2010.........


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