38 top gun vs. 42 lightning
07-18-2011, 05:00 PM
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May want to consider this... even tho the cig is selling for more money now than the fountain, it also cost way above and beyond when it was new. I think if you looked at it from a percentage loss off of total price you may find it to be the other way around
07-18-2011, 05:04 PM
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Everyone keeps talking about lengths. There are far more variables in what makes a good running boat. #1 is the driver. Hull design, balance, staggard or side by side, drives (a #6 boat is gonna be different than a bravo boat), engine power, and so on.
Id put a single engine 28 pantera up against some boats 4-5ft longer in rough seas.
My honest opinion, take a comparable powered 38 cig, and a 38 or 42 fountain, and run them in rough water, who gets to the card stop first will depend on the driver. My boat can go from riding like a turd in rough water to skimming smoothly across the tops of the swells, depending on how "I" run the boat.
In this market there are some great deals. If you had a number in mind to spend, i would factor in the power package, trailer, and let the numbers make your choice. If you had a choice of a 525/xr gun, vs a 700/nxt fountain, for the same dollar, go for the better power package. Either boat is a killer ride.
Id put a single engine 28 pantera up against some boats 4-5ft longer in rough seas.
My honest opinion, take a comparable powered 38 cig, and a 38 or 42 fountain, and run them in rough water, who gets to the card stop first will depend on the driver. My boat can go from riding like a turd in rough water to skimming smoothly across the tops of the swells, depending on how "I" run the boat.
In this market there are some great deals. If you had a number in mind to spend, i would factor in the power package, trailer, and let the numbers make your choice. If you had a choice of a 525/xr gun, vs a 700/nxt fountain, for the same dollar, go for the better power package. Either boat is a killer ride.
07-18-2011, 05:29 PM
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And why don't you care for fountains? Is it because you have been spoiled by the superior quality and performance of powerquest?
It always amazes me how many people bash and hate fountains. I had someone who I know, this weekend,tell me how i would be better off with a different brand, as anything would be better than a fountain. And this came from someone who had their boat repoed, and is boatless.
Go for a ride in a nicely powered 42 stagger lightning, in some rough water and run hard. Tell me if it feels 3' shorter than a 38 top gun.
My buddy who owns a cigarette, said the only reason you see a lot of fountains is because Reggie flooded the market. Umm, ok. Sure.
It always amazes me how many people bash and hate fountains. I had someone who I know, this weekend,tell me how i would be better off with a different brand, as anything would be better than a fountain. And this came from someone who had their boat repoed, and is boatless.
Go for a ride in a nicely powered 42 stagger lightning, in some rough water and run hard. Tell me if it feels 3' shorter than a 38 top gun.
My buddy who owns a cigarette, said the only reason you see a lot of fountains is because Reggie flooded the market. Umm, ok. Sure.
07-18-2011, 07:28 PM
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Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Bigt F'n deal. Mine's got a toilet.
ed
Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Fountain is shorter, Cigarette is longer.
Bigt F'n deal. Mine's got a toilet.
ed
07-19-2011, 12:05 PM
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I bought a Fountain after several trips out on friends' boats, a 2002 42 Lightning w/ 575's and Bmax drives who used to race w/ Martin Sanborn. A 2009 39 Cig with 525's. Both are staggered.
Price - Fountain
Ride - slow same, cruise same, fast Fountain (like on rails)
Less wind in your face at speed for a 6 footer - Fountain
Top speed per hp or engine size - Fountain
Cabin - Cig (but I haven't gained so much that I can't get into and use the adequate cabin in my 42)
"Dryness" of ride in cross wind -Cig
Easier to work on - Fountain
Factory graphics - Cig (until recently)
Resale % of purchase price - Fountain (so I've heard)
Price - Fountain
Ride - slow same, cruise same, fast Fountain (like on rails)
Less wind in your face at speed for a 6 footer - Fountain
Top speed per hp or engine size - Fountain
Cabin - Cig (but I haven't gained so much that I can't get into and use the adequate cabin in my 42)
"Dryness" of ride in cross wind -Cig
Easier to work on - Fountain
Factory graphics - Cig (until recently)
Resale % of purchase price - Fountain (so I've heard)
07-19-2011, 01:13 PM
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Interesting. Guessing he owns neither.
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07-19-2011, 01:31 PM
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I bought a Fountain after several trips out on friends' boats, a 2002 42 Lightning w/ 575's and Bmax drives who used to race w/ Martin Sanborn. A 2009 39 Cig with 525's. Both are staggered.
Price - Fountain
Ride - slow same, cruise same, fast Fountain (like on rails)
Less wind in your face at speed for a 6 footer - Fountain
Top speed per hp or engine size - Fountain
Cabin - Cig (but I haven't gained so much that I can't get into and use the adequate cabin in my 42)
"Dryness" of ride in cross wind -Cig
Easier to work on - Fountain
Factory graphics - Cig (until recently)
Resale % of purchase price - Fountain (so I've heard)
Price - Fountain
Ride - slow same, cruise same, fast Fountain (like on rails)
Less wind in your face at speed for a 6 footer - Fountain
Top speed per hp or engine size - Fountain
Cabin - Cig (but I haven't gained so much that I can't get into and use the adequate cabin in my 42)
"Dryness" of ride in cross wind -Cig
Easier to work on - Fountain
Factory graphics - Cig (until recently)
Resale % of purchase price - Fountain (so I've heard)
Most of the comments are going to be personal opinions like these, but I'm not sure I can believe the resale value comparison.
The factory has done nothing to make buying a used Fountain worthwhile over buying a new one, which slaughtered the used market for their boats years ago.
There are of course exceptions, but overall Cigarettes outsell most performance boats in the used market for their class of boat.
07-19-2011, 01:49 PM
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ive owned both... smaller fountain and loved it.
now a 38 gun and its more fun with say 6 people than the fountain.
i like to anchor and hang out and the cig is better for that.
fountains are faster for sure and its a totally different feel.
i like how mean fountains look too.
i like my cig around the dock better..
bottom line. i would buy another fountain any day.
i would run both and see what u like first.
now a 38 gun and its more fun with say 6 people than the fountain.
i like to anchor and hang out and the cig is better for that.
fountains are faster for sure and its a totally different feel.
i like how mean fountains look too.
i like my cig around the dock better..
bottom line. i would buy another fountain any day.
i would run both and see what u like first.
