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Originally Posted by A.O. Razor
(Post 3474760)
I think you can order the Sunsation 32 as a stagger too. You are just getting less cocpit space.
If you really want a 120+ on 700-725 hp motors. Buy an Outerlimits 40SV. |
Originally Posted by Stormrider
(Post 3474912)
28TS Pantera w/ Stagger Blown SBCs(700hp a side) 3 Man Bolster configuration.
Easy trailer boat too. They could do a BBC too, i believe they have. |
Do you have a budget limit on this project? $300 G's or so?
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Originally Posted by tbirdusa
(Post 3475031)
Do you have a budget limit on this project? $300 G's or so?
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Originally Posted by 348SStb
(Post 3475012)
I tell ya, the Pantera does look very nice. I had been looking at their web site previously. I know *nothing* about their boats. Are you sure they can do staggered twins on the 28? How is the bottom design?
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Originally Posted by Sydwayz
(Post 3475037)
We've built ATs both ways, and we much prefer the side/side setup.
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Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me
(Post 3475005)
You cannot get staggered in a 32 Sunny but you can in their 36. I would go with their 36 if you are wanting to run over 100 MPH. Here is a 36 with staggered 700's that I rode in at LOTO in June at the STT Poker Run.
Is the 36 boats 36' with or without the platform? It sure looks like a sweet ride. Would be awsome with 725's and Indy drives. |
Originally Posted by A.O. Razor
(Post 3475079)
My bad.
Is the 36 boats 36' with or without the platform? It sure looks like a sweet ride. Would be awsome with 725's and Indy drives. |
Originally Posted by A.O. Razor
(Post 3475079)
My bad.
Is the 36 boats 36' with or without the platform? It sure looks like a sweet ride. Would be awsome with 725's and Indy drives. |
the title says "looking for the fastest 30-33 foot twin engine vee-hull"
my .02 - dont waste your time trying to figure out which one is the fastest! Some one will always be faster. bigger, better, badder, etc... just get yourself on the water dude! |
Originally Posted by Gladhe8er
(Post 3475122)
36 with the platform. I could be wrong, but it basically looks like a 32 with larger area under the hatch to make room for the stagger. Deck and interior specs look the same to me.
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Originally Posted by 348SStb
(Post 3475012)
I tell ya, the Pantera does look very nice. I had been looking at their web site previously. I know *nothing* about their boats. Are you sure they can do staggered twins on the 28? How is the bottom design?
They've been building boats since the mid 70s. The new step bottom may or may not lend itself to a bbc stagger. Only way to know is to call Jo at the Plant. I know the title says 30-33ft, but your 1st post has 2 boats that are 28ft... so that's kinda misleading. |
Originally Posted by wrinkleface
(Post 3475042)
why?
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Originally Posted by wrinkleface
(Post 3475042)
why?
With our patented hull design we don't have any lateral stability problems we need to compensate for by lowering the center of gravity. |
Originally Posted by Stormrider
(Post 3475259)
IIRC, it's because this Schoell hull was designed for side by side, not stagger. Start moving around the COG and you'll change the ride.
And our designer, Harry Schoell, is about 1000' feet down the street so if I make a change I consult with him first as was the case with the new 33' Evolution with the 300 Yamahas we are building right now. |
Originally Posted by ActiveThunder
(Post 3475342)
That's actually not true. We insert the step into the process so we change it based on different factors. So in other words we can move the step forwards or back and increase or decrease the height as well.
And our designer, Harry Schoell, is about 1000' feet down the street so if I make a change I consult with him first as was the case with the new 33' Evolution with the 300 Yamahas we are building right now. But hey, i wasn't that far off. ;) |
Give Ritchie Sutphen a call. He will build you anything you want. Great qualty construction and after owning a few a very smooth riding quick hull with no steps.
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Originally Posted by 348SStb
(Post 3474948)
I own several skaters and also a large vee-bottom powerboat. Something smells a little like a fish to me. Just sayin' |
Originally Posted by Airpacker
(Post 3475433)
Yet you did not know what the acronym BBC stands for?
Something smells a little like a fish to me. Just sayin' |
Originally Posted by Airpacker
(Post 3475433)
Yet you did not know what the acronym BBC stands for?
Something smells a little like a fish to me. Just sayin' |
Originally Posted by Airpacker
(Post 3475433)
Yet you did not know what the acronym BBC stands for?
Something smells a little like a fish to me. Just sayin' |
Originally Posted by ActiveThunder
(Post 3475337)
Bigger cockpit with side by side. And we didn't see any speed or handling gains with the staggered set-up. So why do it?
I'm years away, but working on refining my dream boat in my head. :coolcowboy: |
Originally Posted by cookee
(Post 3474976)
We do a mono 33'10" from the tip of the bow to the transom although with the bustle it's a bit longer - 525's or Ilmor's with your choice of drives - full cockpit or open with a screen, no problem doing the stagger either.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...arlestown9.jpg http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...st/test424.jpg http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...st/test271.jpg We only build race boats or race boats for leisure use and although we're a little bit further away from you than the competition you wouldn't see many like it! |
Originally Posted by ImaPoser
(Post 3475539)
Isn't maintenance much easier on a staggered boat?
I'm years away, but working on refining my dream boat in my head. :coolcowboy: However with stock Mercruiser or Mercury High Performance engines oil dipsticks, oil and fuel filters, water pumpsetc. are all up front and user friendly. If you want other engine options then maintainence is more of an issue. But really, what is at the back of the engine you need to get to? I take more bimbos in bikinis in my cockpit first but I am just silly about that. :evilb: |
Originally Posted by Stormrider
(Post 3475357)
That's good to know.
But hey, i wasn't that far off. ;) |
Originally Posted by 348SStb
(Post 3474948)
I said that I haven't ridden in a Lightning.
I've ridden in plenty of older fountains in the early 90s which obviously cannot compare. I own several skaters and also a large vee-bottom powerboat. I know speed. I take what others say into consideration and when I repeat it, I repeat it in the manner in which I did here - I state that I am repeating what I am told. |
Originally Posted by PARADISE ISLAND
(Post 3475663)
Here say is not fact most Fountains ride on rails and one of the fastest hulls out there !!Not that many builders V/hulls go 100mph with stock 525's:kiss:Buy the Fountain:drink:
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Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 3475708)
Does anybody here actually have that set up and have confirmed those numbers?
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Agree with Rik.
I have been onboard the boat in the BananaShark workshop, I left the feeling of really wanting one, and so did my wife, and we normally never agree on anything. Was very impressed knowledge of the team and the quality of the build. Should also be very fast with its biggest stepps in class.
Originally Posted by Rik
(Post 3475599)
Here is the hull he needs..
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Originally Posted by chris@uga
(Post 3474357)
As many will soon point out, the 35 Fountain is really a 32 foot boat.
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Originally Posted by Beak Boater
(Post 3474945)
Not sure who you are talking to about the ride in a Fountain. By your response, I can only assume you have not ridden in one.
Most performance V's do not jump on plane, some better some worse, high X's and large pitch props contribute to that. Runs like dog****? one of the most efficient hulls going in any size. Compare speeds with equal power in same size boats. Fountains are usually as fast if not faster. Poor manners at high speed? I have never had one of my Fountains do anything unpredicable at high speed. Most people who ride in ours have never been over 100 mph on the water, usually their first remark is how stable the boat was, and didnt even feel like you were going that fast. Many great manufacturers to chose from, few fit you needs, go water test yourself instead of relying on second hand information. But since you own many faster, bigger boats, you probably all ready knew that.:drink::drink: |
Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 3475708)
Does anybody here actually have that set up and have confirmed those numbers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QFHKKvAJGo They are rare to see, but the rear power bolsters instead of the bench seat is a really cool option. |
Originally Posted by breakitout
(Post 3475964)
I believe Powerboat tested it at 101 or right around there. :grinser010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QFHKKvAJGo They are rare to see, but the rear power bolsters instead of the bench seat is a really cool option. |
Originally Posted by Airpacker
(Post 3475433)
Yet you did not know what the acronym BBC stands for?
Something smells a little like a fish to me. Just sayin' |
Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 3475708)
Does anybody here actually have that set up and have confirmed those numbers?
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Originally Posted by pullmytrigger
(Post 3476053)
I think Single With Twins boat will run those numbers.....I think it runs 103 gps and that would be in fresh.....I do remember him saying the thing is on rails.
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Originally Posted by breakitout
(Post 3475953)
Hey dumb azz Sunsations have a large integrated swim platform too! Ever seen one? So does that make the 32 really a 30? :angry-smiley-038:
What chris@uga said is 100% true. You loose about 3' with the beak and platform. Same goes with the platform on the Sunny, so that'll be about 34' for the 36' and 30' for the 32'. It's not badmouthing the Fountain, just info. If the O.P is talking "true" 30-33 feet of boat, this is info worth having and the 35 Lightning is within that lenght. Just stating fact, and I like Fountains. |
Originally Posted by breakitout
(Post 3475953)
Hey dumb azz Sunsations have a large integrated swim platform too! Ever seen one? So does that make the 32 really a 30? :angry-smiley-038:
The old 32 running length minus the platform was just under 30' which is why they were able to run the F1 class. The newer 32's are I beleive 3" longer ?. That is what allowed them to run in the F2 class. Also the new 32's are not 32', they are 31'-7". They all lie! |
So it looks like Pantera is offering the smallest boat with twin engines. Right?
I bet that 28 Pantera with twin 525s is a nice piece. Apparently they built at least one boat this way - what does she run? The Pantera looks like it has a reasonable hull weight. Anyone care to comment on their bottom design and also the true length of their "28"? It looks pretty big actually. |
28 Pantera Staggered 525/Arneson setup......that boat would break a lot of big boats hearts
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