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Originally Posted by wanab
(Post 3507183)
because hes 25 years old and knows everything.
but hes going to find out in life karma is a *****. :kiss: i think you had a mental misfire. hahaha :grinser010: also no where on this thread or this forum for that matter, do i claim to know everything... i still cant get over the lack of toughness people have on OSO. a person from the "younger generations" (me) is providing a few suggestions to improve upon an event. things that i would like to see changed to get more people my age involved yet i am chastised for saying it. are any of you 25? then how do you know how a 25 yr old thinks? if you dont want people from the "younger generation" competing then just say it... |
Originally Posted by PARADOX
(Post 3507106)
You have the brain cells and an IQ of an underdeveloped chicken.
:party-smiley-004: In all honesty, it deeply saddens me to hear the race is canceled for this year. I hope this doesn't go the way of the NYC PR too. Overall I share many of the same sentiments as OceanNavigator. The only additional point I would add is the lack of consistency. Racers, fans, etc all expect consistency. If the promoters decide to randomly pull the plug when they think they might take a negative financial hit, all will have a hard time taking it seriously going forward. As much as nobody wants to take a loss in business, sometimes you must to maintain integrity and consistency of your product and brand so consumers know what to expect and for them to have faith in it. So although this might have potentially been a losing year for the organizers, IMO they needed to let the show go on if they expect consumers to buy into it in the future. If I were one of the guys that spent a lot of time, money, and sacrificed family preparing for this event, I know I'd have a very hard time doing so again after this. Hopefully the organizers use this as a learning experience and are better prepared for next year. Despite some of the criticism that's taken place, I don't think anyone wanted it to come to this as the idea and foundation of the race itself is a solid one. Let's hope the 2012 is a better year for the around LI race. |
Originally Posted by 2fast9tech2
(Post 3506954)
For being such a business savvy guy...You are anything but.
In my young 25 years of existence, I have never seen an organization/business put down potential participants/customers like you have in this thread. i.e. "Hey, you guys all suck and arent true boaters but can you still come to my event anyways?" GET REAL. Honestly, I am sorry people werent interested in your event but instead of name calling you should open your eyes and do something different next year. the attendance was poor last year. its poor again this year...guess what einstein its going to be bad next year; unless you do something about it. try: 1. adjusting the entry fee 2. including food, t shirts, etc 3. giving the participants a reason to win (money, goods, gift certificates, etc) 4. making it a 2 day event 5. marketing it to a broader audience 6. provide a free "sea tow" service to all participants (im sure many are affraid of getting stuck) For many boaters, times are tough and adjusting to the economy is a tricky/fickle task. After all arent you trying to appeal to a person like me. Take my word for it...If you dont, i fear we will be having the same conversation next year. dont let me say "i told you so". Good luck next year, hope everything works out for the best. Its now clearly evident that the past couple races were flops, so I guess something isnt attracting racers. Maybe some of these little perks would help lure people. Dont agree w disrespect to promoters, these guys are seasoned vets and well rooted in offshore. Think that deserves a little respect weather or not u like them personally. Dont think age matters on this one guys. Its pretty evident that something is wrong with only 2 entries. |
Dont misunderstand this post because I have all the respect in the world for anyone that would want to do this.
But its hard to attract a crowd at the event when the people that wish to do this are showing up in 19-26 ft boats. The interest wanes when no showstoppers or headliners arent in the mix. It is what it is for those that like the challenge , so maybe it will never be a huge event and remains something that attracts the entrants solely. Last years results is a good example of what my point means. A fabulous story and great for the winner. Huge respect for the owner and navigator but something more for their personal satisfaction rather than something that would draw a huge event crowd. |
Originally Posted by OL40SVX
(Post 3506963)
What makes you think wanab has any association with Billy or Charlie??
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As far as the race is concerned, I'm not surprised by the cancellation. I mean all due respect for those who were interested in participating, but come on, let's face it: When you're practically begging and pleading 11 days before the race for more entrants, it's not looking too good.
Since the get-go, there's been no fanfare, no hype, no energy surrounding the event. I barely even noticed the thread until a couple days ago. And it it weren't for OSO, how would you even know this event existed? What does this race mean to anyone other than this very small, tight-knit group? |
Originally Posted by wanab
(Post 3506897)
offshore only?
more like onshore only. :angry-smiley-038: once again the americans look like the sad sacs they are. |
Originally Posted by OceanNavigator
(Post 3506976)
To say I am disheartened at the recent cancelation of the around long island race would be putting it mildly. First of all I feel horrible for all those owners who had to scrape together the funds to run this race. All the owners to put blood, sweat and tears into their respective boats to make it possible to safely run this race. The navigators who planned, re-planned and over planned every aspect of the race. The spectators who were looking forward to watching the race and supporting the grass roots teams who were going to give it their all and the professional teams who were going to put on a real showing. Last but not least to the families of all these people who gave up weekends and family time to allow their race enthusiast to follow a dream. I won’t even go into the amount of time and money spent to prepare for this race.
I’m disappointed in the lack of preplanning and forethought that has clearly been exhibited in this decision. If a lack of entrants is to blame than the organizers should have required preregistration X days before the event. The organizers should have had real racing instructions. The organizers should have shown a clear intent to run this race and should have incented early and active participation from the community. I can go on and on with all the planning and forethought that was missed but that would not put the race back on. To the organizers: when you offer a race like this you are taking on a responsibility greater than financial. You are taking ownership to run this race as professionally and safely as possible. You are to communicate early and often if you expect the same in return. If you want to be treated like professional organizers than you need to act like it. A little planning and communication will go a long way. As a word of advice I recommend not blaming those who were planning on entering the race as you did not require anything in advance nor did you even ask for it. The ghosts of those legends who have run these waters are all shaking their heads in disappointment. I never had the honor of meeting Don Aronow however this is no way to memorialize a legend. This is no way to start real racing in the United States and this is no way to build a reputation as a race organizer and not a poker run planner. This decision is not consistent with offshore racing, its amateur hour. Respectfully, Jonathan Tobin, Navigator 30'Sonic 30SS "Team Sonic" (Winner 2010 Don Aronow Memorial Marathon) |
Originally Posted by catastrophe
(Post 3507236)
Dont misunderstand this post because I have all the respect in the world for anyone that would want to do this.
But its hard to attract a crowd at the event when the people that wish to do this are showing up in 19-26 ft boats. The interest wanes when no showstoppers or headliners arent in the mix. It is what it is for those that like the challenge , so maybe it will never be a huge event and remains something that attracts the entrants solely. Last years results is a good example of what my point means. A fabulous story and great for the winner. Huge respect for the owner and navigator but something more for their personal satisfaction rather than something that would draw a huge event crowd. |
What was the entry fee?
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