Outerlimits sets new record
09-26-2011 | 12:21 PM
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Charlie,I wonder if you can clarify the following.
I take the 2011 course was the same as 2010 i.e. 271 statute miles,and with a 3hr 5 min time this is pretty impressive motoring for a mono with,I take it 1420 hp?
The thing I find amazing is the 1989 Hayim record of 3hr 6 min,which if it was on the same course of 271 statute miles,seems again pretty impressive considering it must have been in one of the first skater cats, which for a 32ft skater in 1989 would have averaged circa 85mph in a race (similar to Agitator),let alone a race twice that length,with say 1200hp.
I find no mention of the 1989 course length or engine size in the data you showed when listing all the records.Maybe Mr.Hayim can give a definative answer as well.
I take the 2011 course was the same as 2010 i.e. 271 statute miles,and with a 3hr 5 min time this is pretty impressive motoring for a mono with,I take it 1420 hp?
The thing I find amazing is the 1989 Hayim record of 3hr 6 min,which if it was on the same course of 271 statute miles,seems again pretty impressive considering it must have been in one of the first skater cats, which for a 32ft skater in 1989 would have averaged circa 85mph in a race (similar to Agitator),let alone a race twice that length,with say 1200hp.
I find no mention of the 1989 course length or engine size in the data you showed when listing all the records.Maybe Mr.Hayim can give a definative answer as well.
09-26-2011 | 12:31 PM
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Navigation at high speed is not easy on any day of the week, but then you add in some of the weather problems of yesterday and it becomes a nightmare. As they approached Montauk, they ran into a heavy fog bank.
Not being able to see too far in front of them, they relied on the GPS on the dash, only to discover that it showed the boat actually on land......How close were they to a beach that they couldn't see?
If one reads the fine prints on the pamphlets coming with purchasing one there is a disclamer for it.
I Didn't know this either until I started my skippers degree a while back.
They took on a lot of unknowns and did the best they could with it and proved it can still be done. I think they may have also gained some new idea of why guys like Don Aronow and Sam Griffith are so revered.....to win these open ocean races, you needed to be tough and smart....just like these two guys yesterday. Congrats to them.
09-26-2011 | 12:53 PM
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Charlie,I wonder if you can clarify the following.
I take the 2011 course was the same as 2010 i.e. 271 statute miles,and with a 3hr 5 min time this is pretty impressive motoring for a mono with,I take it 1420 hp?
The thing I find amazing is the 1989 Hayim record of 3hr 6 min,which if it was on the same course of 271 statute miles,seems again pretty impressive considering it must have been in one of the first skater cats, which for a 32ft skater in 1989 would have averaged circa 85mph in a race (similar to Agitator),let alone a race twice that length,with say 1200hp.
I find no mention of the 1989 course length or engine size in the data you showed when listing all the records.Maybe Mr.Hayim can give a definative answer as well.
I take the 2011 course was the same as 2010 i.e. 271 statute miles,and with a 3hr 5 min time this is pretty impressive motoring for a mono with,I take it 1420 hp?
The thing I find amazing is the 1989 Hayim record of 3hr 6 min,which if it was on the same course of 271 statute miles,seems again pretty impressive considering it must have been in one of the first skater cats, which for a 32ft skater in 1989 would have averaged circa 85mph in a race (similar to Agitator),let alone a race twice that length,with say 1200hp.
I find no mention of the 1989 course length or engine size in the data you showed when listing all the records.Maybe Mr.Hayim can give a definative answer as well.
Stu had tried twice before and on the day they set the record, they set off from the South St Seaport. They didn't have a specific route in mind, they just wanted to go arond the island faster than Fred Kiekhaefer had done it.
They went into the ocean first and then back by the Sound, with a refueling stop at Montauk. They ended up back at the Seaport also.
22 years is a long time, so only Stu and his crew know the exact details, remeber it was a non race event, it was a record setting event solely.
RE.....Safety on the race for those who interested in entering next year.
In the racers pack, all the fuel locations were given with both long and lat positions, all the Sea Tow locations and phone numbers were given. Race HQ had a cell phone number given to all drivers. There were two helicopters as well as two private planes. Every boat had two Kattack beacons on board in case one failed.
But the most important part, was the volunteers that Billy had lined up all around the island. For example, when the Donzi broke down, the boat notified us by phone as well as the HQ people knowing it's location from the Kattack beacons. Billy contacted the volunteer that was the nearest to that location and he took his own boat out and towed the Donzi back to the nearest ramp. Billy meantime coordinated the truck and trailer pickup so they were waiting when the boat arrived at the ramp.
09-26-2011 | 12:59 PM
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Stu had tried twice before and on the day they set the record, they set off from the South St Seaport. They didn't have a specific route in mind, they just wanted to go arond the island faster than Fred Kiekhaefer had done it.
They went into the ocean first and then back by the Sound, with a refueling stop at Montauk. They ended up back at the Seaport also.
22 years is a long time, so only Stu and his crew know the exact details, remeber it was a non race event, it was a record setting event solely.
RE.....Safety on the race for those who interested in entering next year.
In the racers pack, all the fuel locations were given with both long and lat positions, all the Sea Tow locations and phone numbers were given. Race HQ had a cell phone number given to all drivers. There were two helicopters as well as two private planes. Every boat had two Kattack beacons on board in case one failed.
But the most important part, was the volunteers that Billy had lined up all around the island. For example, when the Donzi broke down, the boat notified us by phone as well as the HQ people knowing it's location from the Kattack beacons. Billy contacted the volunteer that was the nearest to that location and he took his own boat out and towed the Donzi back to the nearest ramp. Billy meantime coordinated the truck and trailer pickup so they were waiting when the boat arrived at the ramp.
They went into the ocean first and then back by the Sound, with a refueling stop at Montauk. They ended up back at the Seaport also.
22 years is a long time, so only Stu and his crew know the exact details, remeber it was a non race event, it was a record setting event solely.
RE.....Safety on the race for those who interested in entering next year.
In the racers pack, all the fuel locations were given with both long and lat positions, all the Sea Tow locations and phone numbers were given. Race HQ had a cell phone number given to all drivers. There were two helicopters as well as two private planes. Every boat had two Kattack beacons on board in case one failed.
But the most important part, was the volunteers that Billy had lined up all around the island. For example, when the Donzi broke down, the boat notified us by phone as well as the HQ people knowing it's location from the Kattack beacons. Billy contacted the volunteer that was the nearest to that location and he took his own boat out and towed the Donzi back to the nearest ramp. Billy meantime coordinated the truck and trailer pickup so they were waiting when the boat arrived at the ramp.
Volunteers like yourself make good things happen.
09-26-2011 | 01:22 PM
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Stu had tried twice before and on the day they set the record, they set off from the South St Seaport. They didn't have a specific route in mind, they just wanted to go arond the island faster than Fred Kiekhaefer had done it.
They went into the ocean first and then back by the Sound, with a refueling stop at Montauk. They ended up back at the Seaport also.
22 years is a long time, so only Stu and his crew know the exact details, remeber it was a non race event, it was a record setting event solely.
RE.....Safety on the race for those who interested in entering next year.
In the racers pack, all the fuel locations were given with both long and lat positions, all the Sea Tow locations and phone numbers were given. Race HQ had a cell phone number given to all drivers. There were two helicopters as well as two private planes. Every boat had two Kattack beacons on board in case one failed.
But the most important part, was the volunteers that Billy had lined up all around the island. For example, when the Donzi broke down, the boat notified us by phone as well as the HQ people knowing it's location from the Kattack beacons. Billy contacted the volunteer that was the nearest to that location and he took his own boat out and towed the Donzi back to the nearest ramp. Billy meantime coordinated the truck and trailer pickup so they were waiting when the boat arrived at the ramp.
They went into the ocean first and then back by the Sound, with a refueling stop at Montauk. They ended up back at the Seaport also.
22 years is a long time, so only Stu and his crew know the exact details, remeber it was a non race event, it was a record setting event solely.
RE.....Safety on the race for those who interested in entering next year.
In the racers pack, all the fuel locations were given with both long and lat positions, all the Sea Tow locations and phone numbers were given. Race HQ had a cell phone number given to all drivers. There were two helicopters as well as two private planes. Every boat had two Kattack beacons on board in case one failed.
But the most important part, was the volunteers that Billy had lined up all around the island. For example, when the Donzi broke down, the boat notified us by phone as well as the HQ people knowing it's location from the Kattack beacons. Billy contacted the volunteer that was the nearest to that location and he took his own boat out and towed the Donzi back to the nearest ramp. Billy meantime coordinated the truck and trailer pickup so they were waiting when the boat arrived at the ramp.
09-26-2011 | 01:53 PM
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RE.....Safety on the race for those who interested in entering next year.
In the racers pack, all the fuel locations were given with both long and lat positions, all the Sea Tow locations and phone numbers were given. Race HQ had a cell phone number given to all drivers. There were two helicopters as well as two private planes. Every boat had two Kattack beacons on board in case one failed.
But the most important part, was the volunteers that Billy had lined up all around the island. For example, when the Donzi broke down, the boat notified us by phone as well as the HQ people knowing it's location from the Kattack beacons. Billy contacted the volunteer that was the nearest to that location and he took his own boat out and towed the Donzi back to the nearest ramp. Billy meantime coordinated the truck and trailer pickup so they were waiting when the boat arrived at the ramp.
Charlie I guess all entrants had mandatory Marine-VHF and SRC licenses obligatory?
Would be a good idea to have a Race channel on VHF don't you think and a MMSI number even for the Race organizer ?
A GSM doesn't necessarily give you a position but a VHF added with DSC and GPS gives instant position while the Distress button is depressed in seconds and alerts every boater and rescue organizations nearby.
Although you're racing your not racing on a racetrack but the open sea so therefore Marine laws and regulations do apply and help the organizers of events like these and makes the participants object to fulfill some requirements. They ain't that costly or hard to fullfill either and for everyones own safety.
Bytheway is Kattack an AIS supported site?
Just Had to ask despite knowing your and Billy's experience.
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09-26-2011 | 02:00 PM
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Good to see an event like this. Congrats to ALL the participants as an attemp is a win in my book when talking about a race like this one. Also, thank you to all the organizers and volunteers. Good Job everyone.
09-26-2011 | 02:39 PM
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It is a really nice looking boat too, way to go. Outstanding!
09-26-2011 | 02:43 PM
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Is the second video that Blaze posted the official end to the race? Was there an actual start finish line?
Congrats to all who participated. Im looking forward to this next year and possibly give it a run.
Congrats to all who participated. Im looking forward to this next year and possibly give it a run.
