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jimmyjr 10-05-2011 05:27 PM

the 28 scorpion is an awsome boat,i had one back in 02 and i put over 300 hrs on it and no real issues at all.the only thing is that the boat is not real deep,and it could get a little squirrley @ any speeds over 75 in some chop w/a side wind.but overall the boat was awesome and fairly forgiving,after some seattime.you will not go wrong with a 28 zx.but make sure you get a survey done and PERSONALLY DRIVE THE BOAT TO MAKE SURE ITS RIGHT FOR YOU.I used to be a donzi dealer,and i loved the 28 zx but it took me three years to sell mine,and over 20 demos,i had that boat sold over the phone about 10 times,and people just wouldnt close and the main reason was the cocpit and cuddy area was too small.with that bieng said that 28 sold me a ton of 33 zx[about 8] just beacuse it was bigger and had comparable performance.the quality and fit and finish was great for a production boat.graphis were very well done,and they always used top quality hard ware i hope this helps

rlj676 10-05-2011 05:54 PM

Why do you need a step? If it goes over 75 it goes over 75? Most of the straight hulls will ride better on rough days too, although the sit down NY area race style boats all have good reps for riding nice.

I personally wouldn't want any bigger than my 28 in a single. It's like a kite in the wind when docking w/ no way to control it without twins.

If you you want a big stand up boat in a single, go w/ a 28 AT. Other options I liked 28 PP (obviously my first choice) or a Pantera 28. They'll take more power than a step hull boat but they will run great in the rough.

I looked at Donzi's 28 ZX's as well, but they are smaller and they all were overpriced on the market when I was looking.

G-NOTE 10-05-2011 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3520570)
Why do you need a step? If it goes over 75 it goes over 75? Most of the straight hulls will ride better on rough days too, although the sit down NY area race style boats all have good reps for riding nice.

I personally wouldn't want any bigger than my 28 in a single. It's like a kite in the wind when docking w/ no way to control it without twins.

If you you want a big stand up boat in a single, go w/ a 28 AT. Other options I liked 28 PP (obviously my first choice) or a Pantera 28. They'll take more power than a step hull boat but they will run great in the rough.

I looked at Donzi's 28 ZX's as well, but they are smaller and they all were overpriced on the market when I was looking.

Active Thunders look nice, do they make anything in 28-30 with a single?

Philm 10-06-2011 06:48 AM

A 28 Pantera would be a good choice if you HAVE to have a stand up boat single. They ride great in the rough but take a bunch of power to make them fast.

700hp will push them low 80's and will push that 29' Kryptonite mid 90's.

REDS32 10-06-2011 07:05 AM

I have a 1998 32 velocity with 600hp 525scs brand new cmi. I seen 92 with more to go . I would need 60,000 but the motors only have 125 hours the hull 225hours . I been thinking about up grading.

G-NOTE 10-06-2011 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Philm (Post 3520898)
A 28 Pantera would be a good choice if you HAVE to have a stand up boat single. They ride great in the rough but take a bunch of power to make them fast.

700hp will push them low 80's and will push that 29' Kryptonite mid 90's.

Pantera sounds like the Baja's I'm trying to get away from, no step, no pad, but do good in the rough, and take lots of power to move them.... No thanks

Kryptonite is a REALLY fast hull, and looks great, but seating and cockpit room are an issue for me.


Originally Posted by REDS32
I have a 1998 32 velocity with 600hp 525scs brand new cmi. I seen 92 with more to go . I would need 60,000 but the motors only have 125 hours the hull 225hours . I been thinking about up grading.

Do you have pics or a link? I'm not a big fan of velocity, but I would consider that setup...

REDS32 10-06-2011 08:27 AM

Pm me your email if I have time I'll send you a couple after I go out this weekend. If you don't want it I don't care I would only sell it to buy a bigger velocity . This is my second velocity . If you can drive their bad a$$' boats. I've drove a couple different brands and wouldn't
change unless I try a cat.
Ps not many boats have beat me and I race people all the time. Two people one was a cat.

REDS32 10-06-2011 08:32 AM

Watch still crazy on the velocity forum

rlj676 10-06-2011 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by G-NOTE (Post 3520746)
Active Thunders look nice, do they make anything in 28-30 with a single?

Yep, the 28 single.

No steps though (unless they've updated the new ones)....but w/ some power they'll get going. They are big 28's though, tons of freeboard.

specialk 10-06-2011 08:40 PM

28 Powerquest silencer. Single step, big cockpit,nice cabin, lots of storage.
I looked at Donzi but did not care for the cockpit. Seemed to lack storage also.
I would part with mine within your price range and you would still have plenty of gas money left. 75 mph,closed cooling, turn key with about 175 hours.

bert4332 10-07-2011 11:06 AM

Powerquest makes a very good boat, good in the rough, not going to be real fast like the Krypto and since you're not into MCOBs, I would take a hard look at them. The 300 Revenge is a monster of a boat, but that's going to a little out of your price range. Take a hard look at the 29.

Dave M 10-07-2011 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by specialk (Post 3521580)
28 Powerquest silencer. 75 mph

With how much power?

G-NOTE 10-07-2011 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by bert4332 (Post 3522012)
Powerquest makes a very good boat, good in the rough, not going to be real fast like the Krypto and since you're not into MCOBs, I would take a hard look at them. The 300 Revenge is a monster of a boat, but that's going to a little out of your price range. Take a hard look at the 29.

How hard is it to get the windsheild delete for a powerquest?

What do yall think about this!!!! http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/13314

REDS32 10-07-2011 12:40 PM

Power quest are slow

G-NOTE 10-07-2011 05:13 PM

What do yall think about this!!!! http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/13314

jbraun2828 10-07-2011 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by bert4332 (Post 3522012)
Powerquest makes a very good boat, good in the rough, not going to be real fast like the Krypto and since you're not into MCOBs, I would take a hard look at them. The 300 Revenge is a monster of a boat, but that's going to a little out of your price range. Take a hard look at the 29.

my buddy has a 30 revenge. when we tie up together my boat looks about 5 ft longer. Nice boats though

specialk 10-07-2011 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Dave M (Post 3522022)
With how much power?

350 mag..LOL

496HO 3.5lb boost pro charger.

bert4332 10-07-2011 10:39 PM

I almost purchased a 28 Eagle MCOB, they are a nice boat, fast too, just not too many around, I would take a hard look at that one.



Originally Posted by G-NOTE (Post 3522292)
What do yall think about this!!!! http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/13314


G-NOTE 10-08-2011 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by bert4332 (Post 3522498)
I almost purchased a 28 Eagle MCOB, they are a nice boat, fast too, just not too many around, I would take a hard look at that one.

Yeah, I got friends that live in Cincinatti. I might have to make a trip to see them.

There is also one here in cypress, right around the corner from me, pictures suck...

http://houston.craigslist.org/boa/2614114862.html

I'm guessing thats a 502 Mag, he calls it a epi ?

I left a message yesterday, no response yet. I would like to see it in person.

78CIG24 10-08-2011 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Dave M (Post 3522022)
With how much power?

I was told it was one of these....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qv1n5flyy1...ilRediff.3.gif

pqjack 10-08-2011 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by REDS32 (Post 3522099)
Power quest are slow

says who??:nhl_fight:

bert4332 10-08-2011 11:52 PM

The one in the PBL has a lot more going for it and the list is even cheaper, that's a pretty hefty price for an 01 with a basic package.



Originally Posted by G-NOTE (Post 3522640)
Yeah, I got friends that live in Cincinatti. I might have to make a trip to see them.

There is also one here in cypress, right around the corner from me, pictures suck...

http://houston.craigslist.org/boa/2614114862.html

I'm guessing thats a 502 Mag, he calls it a epi ?

I left a message yesterday, no response yet. I would like to see it in person.


Dave M 10-09-2011 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by 78CIG24 (Post 3522651)

Now that's funny! :evilb:

G-NOTE 10-16-2011 01:27 AM

The boat in cypress won't work to many hours, negleted paint/gel coat, and seller not willing to budge on his price...

fastestbowtie 10-16-2011 02:30 AM

How about something like this:
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...shore-99947356
When I am ready to make a purchase I will be in a similar position except I want a MCOB. Right now these are at the top of my wish list.

bert4332 10-16-2011 02:00 PM

That's my recommendation ;-)




Originally Posted by fastestbowtie (Post 3528388)
How about something like this:
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...shore-99947356
When I am ready to make a purchase I will be in a similar position except I want a MCOB. Right now these are at the top of my wish list.


G-NOTE 10-24-2011 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by fastestbowtie (Post 3528388)
How about something like this:
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...shore-99947356
When I am ready to make a purchase I will be in a similar position except I want a MCOB. Right now these are at the top of my wish list.

How do they look sitting in the water?

Seems like they need to be a little nose high, for that hull to take on big water?

Uncle Dave 10-25-2011 02:45 AM

Bert has some on thw water picts of his rig.

The Lavey 29 is a true 24 degree V and will take big water extremely well.

The Eliminator is a nice boat but there are significant differences. It is fast per HP and the hull shape was designed originally by Ron Ehde, but its a shallower V and wont ride as well in big water or chop.

Its also loaded with wood in the boat - wood floorboards etc and is not interlined like the lavey- its also not the length they claim it is because they add the bolt on swimstep to the LOA.

Good luck on your hunt!

Uncle Dave

bert4332 10-25-2011 10:49 PM

The boat has a very "slight" rise, nothing like a Fountain or a Sunny. G-Note, the best advice is to ride in as many of the boats that you are considering. I'll be back in Dallas on the 18th of November, I plan on winterizing my boat that week because I have to be back in the D.C. area by 11/29 and will most likely not be back for a few months. You're not far from Dallas, if you catch me prior to winterizing, c'mon up and I'll take you out. The brand sells itself by the performance of the boat. I was really shocked how well the boat comes alive in the rough, you will be too.

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/...nthewater2.jpg

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/...inthewater.jpg



Originally Posted by G-NOTE (Post 3535847)
How do they look sitting in the water?

Seems like they need to be a little nose high, for that hull to take on big water?


G-NOTE 05-30-2012 11:16 PM

Ok, back on the market...

Nordic heat is out of the question, and so is Eliminator 28 Eagle.

Rode in both on lake conroe, peeing blood still:lolhit:

Laveycraft is what I want, can't spend $50k or bert4332's boat would be in my storage right now!

Hellbent 05-30-2012 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by G-NOTE (Post 3520923)
Pantera sounds like the Baja's I'm trying to get away from, no step, no pad, but do good in the rough, and take lots of power to move them.... No thanks

You need to educate yourself on Pantera's. Watch the video on the 28 they just delivered:

http://www.panteraboats.com/index2.php

bert4332 05-30-2012 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by G-NOTE (Post 3699078)
Ok, back on the market...

Nordic heat is out of the question, and so is Eliminator 28 Eagle.

Rode in both on lake conroe, peeing blood still:lolhit:

Laveycraft is what I want, can't spend $50k or bert4332's boat would be in my storage right now!

Thanx for plug G-Note, I had it out all week, ran great, again this time of year, +30mph winds and everyone only wants to ride on my boat. I probably won't have it back in the water until September, going back to Annapolis then out of the country for a while. If things change when I get back, trip up to Dallas and we'll go out for a ride.

I had a guy out on Sunday who runs a 28 Nordic cuddy, he couldn't believe the difference in the ride. We were doing 68 into a 25mph head wind in about 2ft chop with an occasional 3, he couldn't believe he didn't spill on drop of his full beer.

Good Luck

G-NOTE 05-31-2012 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by bert4332 (Post 3699091)
Thanx for plug G-Note, I had it out all week, ran great, again this time of year, +30mph winds and everyone only wants to ride on my boat. I probably won't have it back in the water until September, going back to Annapolis then out of the country for a while. If things change when I get back, trip up to Dallas and we'll go out for a ride.

I had a guy out on Sunday who runs a 28 Nordic cuddy, he couldn't believe the difference in the ride. We were doing 68 into a 25mph head wind in about 2ft chop with an occasional 3, he couldn't believe he didn't spill on drop of his full beer.

Good Luck

Let me know, I am supposing you might be more negotioable when you get back from making all the money out of the country...:whistle:

bert4332 05-31-2012 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by G-NOTE (Post 3699201)
Let me know, I am supposing you might be more negotioable when you get back from making all the money out of the country...:whistle:

Actually I lose money when I go. :snide:

Gimme Fuel 05-31-2012 03:57 PM

Look at the Checkmate 300 Convincor or a ZT28.

24 degree deadrise, pad bottom, notched transom. Ride great in the rough. Will do low 70's with 496 MAG HO and run high 70's-80 with the 525 EFI. I have ridden in them and they are nice and roomy, take the chop great and have nice lines.

G-NOTE 05-31-2012 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Hellbent
You need to educate yourself on Pantera's. Watch the video on the 28 they just delivered

I love the 28' Pantera's but they're out of my price range...



Originally Posted by Gimme Fuel (Post 3699626)
Look at the Checkmate 300 Convincor or a ZT28.

24 degree deadrise, pad bottom, notched transom. Ride great in the rough. Will do low 70's with 496 MAG HO and run high 70's-80 with the 525 EFI. I have ridden in them and they are nice and roomy, take the chop great and have nice lines.

No a fan of the "checkmate look"

Nate5.0 05-31-2012 06:00 PM

Here ya go. I was actually looking at this boat but am settling with a single eng boat for personal reasons.

This boat is clean, ready to run, and perfect for the fam

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o44923-en.html

bert4332 05-31-2012 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by Nate5.0 (Post 3699685)
Here ya go. I was actually looking at this boat but am settling with a single eng boat for personal reasons.

This boat is clean, ready to run, and perfect for the fam

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o44923-en.html

He said he wanted a boat bigger than a 26' :party-smiley-004:

G-NOTE 05-31-2012 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by bert4332 (Post 3699831)
He said he wanted a boat bigger than a 26' :party-smiley-004:

LOL!!!

Here's a couple of smaller FLYERS!!!

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/boa/3045882478.html

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/bod/3035866141.html

This should fly!!!
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/boa/2962919721.html

spectras only 05-31-2012 10:58 PM

G-note, you may not heard of Mirage boats built in Washington state.They were built rough water in mind for the Pacific Northwest.I have a 25'7 model [ less than a dozen built with twins ] and the 314 in this link is also a rare model ,maybe 6 built . Check it out, little over your budget but who knows how desperate the seller may be. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1998.../United-States


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