353 Formula Fastech
01-09-2012, 08:33 AM
#51
New Sonic 38/39 is a shot in the arm for sure, if that boat breaks 90 mph w/525's it will be a hit. Total new boat, new step bottom, new paint, new staggered engines.....this is what Formula needs to do.
01-09-2012, 08:51 AM
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PQ had the same issue 10 years ago as Formula does now (exception being Formula has a great cruiser line/dealer network). PQ hit a wall on new ideas/boats, their line was well liked/respected but their owners moved on to better products when PQ didn't offer them what they wanted. I have a friend that still talks about his 29 PQ and running it to the Bahamas on a bad day..........he has since moved on to NT, built several new ones including a 50.
01-09-2012, 09:05 AM
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PQ had the same issue 10 years ago as Formula does now (exception being Formula has a great cruiser line/dealer network). PQ hit a wall on new ideas/boats, their line was well liked/respected but their owners moved on to better products when PQ didn't offer them what they wanted. I have a friend that still talks about his 29 PQ and running it to the Bahamas on a bad day..........he has since moved on to NT, built several new ones including a 50.
As far as PQ ..you are wrong..10 years ago PQ was doing great...PQ ran into problems around 2004-5 when the new owner took over and drove the company into the ground...
I also owed 3 PQ 290 and they are good/strong boats ..but are comparing at PQ290 to a 50NT???
01-09-2012, 09:07 AM
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3. ALL OF THE BOAT BUILDERS HAVE UPDATED THEIR PRODUCT LINE IN THE LAST 5 YEARS! Cig/NT/OL/Sunsation have introduced brand new boats. NT/OL has also phased out their older line (probably 5-6 boats they used to make are out of the line up, replaced by new, better models). Even Fountain re-did their cabins in 2008!.!
5. BMW 650's had a 10K rebate at the end of their model run, to say that car wasn't selling is a huge understatement! Cars are different, they get used more, traded more frequently so to drive an old model is not a big deal since 3 years later you probably won't have it anymore! Cars are a necessity for 90% of Americans, boats are not a necessity for anyone and they cost more than some people's homes (another necessity). !.!
01-09-2012, 09:09 AM
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I agree 100%.....but just to be fair the boats you found online advertised as 2012 models used old pictures (Ransom, the 45SS is like a 2004 model).
New Sonic 38/39 is a shot in the arm for sure, if that boat breaks 90 mph w/525's it will be a hit. Total new boat, new step bottom, new paint, new staggered engines.....this is what Formula needs to do.
New Sonic 38/39 is a shot in the arm for sure, if that boat breaks 90 mph w/525's it will be a hit. Total new boat, new step bottom, new paint, new staggered engines.....this is what Formula needs to do.
01-09-2012, 09:10 AM
#57
I said it was just a joke and thats all it was a joke...
As far as PQ ..you are wrong..10 years ago PQ was doing great...PQ ran into problems around 2004-5 when the new owner took over and drove the company into the ground...
I also owed 3 PQ 290 and they are good/strong boats ..but are comparing at PQ290 to a 50NT???
As far as PQ ..you are wrong..10 years ago PQ was doing great...PQ ran into problems around 2004-5 when the new owner took over and drove the company into the ground...
I also owed 3 PQ 290 and they are good/strong boats ..but are comparing at PQ290 to a 50NT???
No, Mark still talks about his 29 PQ but has since moved on to bigger boats like his last one (50 NT). He did make the jump from a 34 PQ to a 43 NT back in 03. His 29 PQ was his first new powerboat I believe and ran the sh!t out of it.
01-09-2012, 09:15 AM
#58
I disagree especially when a 2004 model has logged 300+ hours of use and is in need of mechanical repair. Your argument can be had with every new vs old item. A used ferrari is a lot cheaper than a brand new one. Soooo....
Brand new boats or the same designs with a cookie cutter mentality?
Brand new boats or the same designs with a cookie cutter mentality?
On that 270K 353, you probably could find a mint one for 90K used and still have 180K to take care of the "mechanical repair" but both boats will perform identically and look identical at the dock.......Why would anyone spend the extra money on the same boat new?
Brand new boats......umm yeah. Sunsation used Tres Martin's bottom design for the 36, the OL's are all new and the NT's are new as well (unless they slapped two 39's together to make that 80
).
01-09-2012, 09:17 AM
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01-09-2012, 09:45 AM
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10 years ago PQ was past that fork on the road....
they had just come out with the single step 280...the 280 sc (cruiser)the 320sc (cruise) and the new 300 Revenge twin step ..so not sure what wrong path you are talking about???
PQ did not fail because of the product it failed because of management..
