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Old 06-01-2012 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
I presume this area already has fines in place for littering. Just enforce the littering laws that have been on the books for decades, don't close down a whole beach on account of a few idiots.
Littering laws?? You can not even go near it. Before it was a privately owned and was a free for all. The island was purchased for some 400,000 by whatever agency.
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Old 06-01-2012 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater

You going to close down the roadways for littering too?
Nope, we have criminals, we have work programs for that
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Old 06-01-2012 | 08:22 PM
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And how is it 8 posts in I'm somehow involved in a political discussion about a haunted island...wait that's not right at all
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Old 06-01-2012 | 08:33 PM
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god knows its easier to hold law abiding citizens under excessive laws then to perform real law enforcement. the majority of people cited, results from questioning overbearing enforcement. just read article again, civilians and journalists arrested then released for video taping cops on duty.
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Old 06-01-2012 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BBCLiberator
So maybe I missed it, but where can you go get an actual zoning map? Anyone know?
You can get it from the agency that has declared it a refuge area. You can often get them from the Coast Guard, too.

If you think you are going to get hassled or have been hassled for being in a area that is not part of the refuge area, I would call the Sargeant of the enforcing agency, and ask for clarification. Tell the sargeant you have a copy of the statute, and if you were told to leave, you would like to know why. I would also get the badge number and name of the officer who told you to leave. Have the telephone number of the Sargeant with you on the water. I would leave, and not argue with the officer, but immediately call the Sargeant after leaving. Once it is cleared up, ask that the officer be informed by radio, get the Sargeant's name, and then return to the area. If the officer comes back, say you just got off the phone with Sargeant So-and-So, and he approved you to come back.

The key is to appear cooperative and business like the entire time. Don't argue, raise your voice, etc. Otherwise, they think they are dealing with an idiot. Smart people win this game.

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Old 06-01-2012 | 09:55 PM
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Look like the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is the agency.

Detroit River International Wildlife Refuge

I didn't see anything on their website about Sugar Island or the boundaries/land use restrictions for the island. You would have to contact them. Get any regulations in writing.

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Old 06-01-2012 | 10:04 PM
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Hey, F-ing Retard Spammer. Seriously learn how to form a sentence that actually makes sence!!!
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Old 06-01-2012 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by low_psi
Ok, so recently the National Wildlife refuge purchased a small island a lot of us locals used during the summer as a place to picnic, throw horse shoes, etc. Anyway they have now designated it as a wildlife refuge and have posted signs on the island that state, unauthorized access is prohibited. So given this how far into the water can they actually enforce this? I was anchored off a few yards from the island today in about waist deep water and was told by a federal agent that I was trespassing and that he can enforce this to the middle part of the shipping channel. Naturally I got a bit of an attitude with him, as to say you can enforce a no trespass hundreds of yards away all the way into a shipping channel, just sounds ridiculous..... So my question for all of you legal types, what is the actual distance they can enforce a no trespass on a federally owned island in the Detroit River? Can they enforce all the way out to the shipping channel or to the water line? Also where can I find this in writing? While I told the officer I thought he was full of $hit, I don't know the full extent of this law so to argue it with him wouldn't be smart either..... Any info you guys can lend would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
I normally charge a fee for this, but this one's on the house (lol). In my experiences you cant own water. Your anchor was down, so you're already guilty. But if you're not touching bottom in any way, shape, or form, you're not tresspassing. But, with that said, if you're dealing with jackasses, they will come up with some phantom charge that will just make your life more difficult. You will eventually beat the charge, but it will be a pain in the ass. The world needs dickheads, if not, how would we know who the good people are. Stay thirsty my friends
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Old 06-05-2012 | 09:34 PM
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http://thenewsherald.com/articles/20...c727965636.txt
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Old 06-05-2012 | 10:15 PM
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I am so FREAKIN SICK of the a$$ clown Grosse Ile Police Chief using the "Boat Burnings" as one of the problems associated with the public use of the island. There hasn't been a boat burning party in over 10 years. I have a feeling the so called "public hearing" is going to be a bunch of "in one ear and out the other" BS. I will certainly attend, with a video camera to document EVERYTHING that is said.
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