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boats74 06-29-2012 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by pondrunner (Post 3720266)
I'm still curious why NO ONE mentions that AquaMania is out there doing the same thing, and that these guys egg each other on.

That's what I tried to allude to earlier, but its worth repeating.

Catastrophe 06-29-2012 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 3720136)
j arruda said it did happen,and he would know,so now i am a believer,finally someone with facts has spoke up.:whistle:

BS comment

It happened cuz JA said so.??

Finally someone with facts ??

notda1 06-29-2012 04:19 PM

I keep thinking if they hit another watercraft and someone had gotten hurt or even killed , wouldn't there be a good possibilty of jail time ?

J Arruda 06-29-2012 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by GRH (Post 3720318)
+1..... also it appears in the video Aqua Mania drove right by MyWay after the spin.....

I noticed that as well ? Not what I would have done. Always check on your fellow boater first priority. Race or pleasure.

On a different note: My Way only had minor damage. A couple bent fuel senders from the tanks shifting. I say it again, very very lucky.

BoatShow239 06-29-2012 05:20 PM

Not that it matters...
 
...since we all know the law means nothing!

I think I am reading this right and when I spent a lot of time on the St Lawrence it was talked about from time to time and discussed in Captain's School Classes in Clayton. Aren't the 2 boats in question 50'ers...

Speed restrictions
(14) The St. Lawrence Seaway waters of the St. Lawrence River are a controlled speed area. The speed limits in U.S. waters are in accordance with 33 CFR 401. (See 33 CFR 401, chapter 2.)

(15) The maximum speeds for vessels in excess of 40 feet (12.2 meters) in length are in effect in the following areas unless otherwise indicated through Seaway Notices:


(23) McNair Island Light Buoy 137A to Deer Island Light 186, 11.5 knots (10.5 knots at high water)

(24) Deer Island Light 186 to Bartlett Point Light 227, 8.5 knots upbound and 10.5 knots downbound

(25) Bartlett Point Light 227 to Tibbetts Point, 13 knots (10.5 knots at high water)


Before I get accused of making this up or fabricating/doctoring it, it comes from GREAT LAKES-ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY Publication . I did remove the first few references because they are not germane to this conversation.

http://www.marad.dot.gov/publications.

mike tkach 06-29-2012 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3720548)
BS comment

It happened cuz JA said so.??

Finally someone with facts ??

bs comment,try reading it again,or better yet il explain it so you can understand.1 i said i beleive because ja said so, 2 yes he knows the facts,unlike you,so no bs in my comment.the bs is your post:angry-smiley-038:

BBCLiberator 06-29-2012 11:35 PM

Let. It. Go. Group Hug?

why does every post on this site turn out like this??? Maybe it just takes some getting used too...sigh...

Lighthouse 06-29-2012 11:47 PM


Aqua Mania... Always check on your fellow boater first priority...
And they do just that! imo\

akaboatman 06-30-2012 02:03 AM

Really. what way were they going (LOOK AT THE FILM) an how long after the spin. who filmed this might know ???? Artie Just thinking out loud.

Florida Floater 06-30-2012 03:26 AM

Aqua may have never seen the spin, and...
 
...contrary to what pondrunner says...


Originally Posted by pondrunner (Post 3720266)
I know we were close to Picton Island cove, because we pulled in to raft up. The area where it happened was NOT tight at all, although the video gives that impression.

From the videos and other information I had extrapolated the spin happened in the area pondrunner says, and he has confirmed my thoughts. An example of how wide open it is, from Pine Island to the rock "spike" and marker is 0.23 miles.

At Clayton it is 0.40 miless rock to town and on the outside Eagle Wing Group to rock 0.12 miles.

Considering the fact (we have the video) Aqua was doing 140-160 mph through the area, he very well might not have seen the spin. Simply, My Way might have been hidden by an island or a laker.

I would certainly hope at that speed on a part of the river dotted with islands and pleasure boats his concentration as well as his throttle man's was straight ahead. Oh, and yes, don't forget the lakers!

I have slowed the "spin" video down and enlarged it to the point of pixelation and I interprete that My Way was between the cruiser and the shore, but the quality is not all that great.

And just so you know, there is a video of Aqua leaving Clayton. At 68 mph he passes about 30-40 ft from a pleasure boater and at 102 he was even closer to another pleasure boat! Then at about 50' away, he passes another pleasure boat at about 120.

There appears to be another boat keeping up with Aqua through a good part of his early run. White hull on the port of Aqua.

All this in what appears to be a 40 mph speed zone!

Look at the charts, please look at the charts. On another site the excuse given was that these guys are professionals. There are too many areas where surprises can happen.


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