Commentary: The Spin on 190
 

Matt Trulio comments on the reported spin out of My Way, the 50-foot Mystic cat, at the poker run in Alexandria Bay, N.Y., last weekend...

http://speedonthewater.com/commentar...in-on-190.html

Nicely said Matt!

Glad everyone was OK.

Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Couldnt have said it better.

Well said and written Matt!

Wasn't My Way sold after Loto or is it still the original owner?
I thought someone told me it sold.

Just curious.

Exactly. we have been saying that up here for years!

I'm all for flaunting it if you got it and he does, as do others, but where at what potential cost?
I would think the River gets pretty small at that speed!
Bill is approachable and kind enough the few times we've spoke on the docks over the last 20 years, but there is a greater responsibility here, both personal and public
one more black eye for the sport waiting to happen- going for the "big show" on venues never intended for those speeds and too many others with just as much right to be out there who are unaware.
Take it to the ocean or at least out in the middle of Lake Ontario.
I know there aren't too many people to "report a sighting" out there, but far, far less likely anybody other than those who accepted the risk in the boat are gonna get killed...

If the jetski part is true, think about having wiped him/her out? Imagine the chitstorm in regards to speed everywhere, but especially right here on our River.

To the go-fasters' on the river it's a quandy- you want to support the freedom, but you sure as he11 don't wan't to live with the potential consequences
that's where responsibilty lies in the owner's hands...

Great post!

No question that there was a LOT of luck involved in spinning at a buck ninety and walking away unscathed. On the other hand, unless someone saw their course and saw too many boats in their path, I disagree with the "wrong place, wrong time" accusations. You can be watching out all you want, but a 60 mph jet ski can get into your path in a hurry. The same statement could be made if they hit a freighter wake, or a floating log. Anything over 90mph is a delicate dance, and a hundred over that is certainly risky. Accidents will happen and any one boat boating accident is the captain's fault by definition, but to say they did something wrong simply bc they did something wrong simply by going fast without having more facts is unfair.

I would have hit the mother phucker!!!

Unless I hear it from the driver or T-man I won't believe the 190 part, Sure they where going fast enough to Wax the azzes of all the other boats in that run but 190's is something you plan all week for, Then be CERTAIN theres no cruisers (Or Jet Ski's) gonna be out. I'll give um 120s-130s-140's, but much more than that your gonna be going straight, not turning...I'm well aware that boat will do it, I saw the 230+ data from loto, but I think he's smart enough to not do that where the "possibility" of a big wake or Jet ski could hamper it... (just my .02) I have been wrong before, Once :)

I'd have to agree. I don't buy 190mph. Yes the boat is more than certainly capable of it, but I don't believe they were doing 190 at the time. I've read they were trying to catch up with Aqua-Mania, which is a boat just as fast if not faster than My Way... No mention of them being irresponsible by going just as fast if the "catch up" explanation is indeed true.

articles like these is what gives politicians and the wp great ammo to attack our freedoms,JMHO:stooges:

Boats spinning out on constricted bodies of water that share space with kids on jet skies at speeds anywhere near approaching 190mph are what give enemies of our sport ammunition to make laws where common sense should have prevailed - but didn't.

Matt has been a great advocate for our sport and in all the years I have been reading his articles I"ve never once seen him write anything reactionary or off-the-handle. Don't shoot the messenger.

Thank God no one was hurt.

What an idiotic thing to say.

What I find odd is in most forms of motor sports the demonstration of speeds being discussed are done on a closed and controlled race course and in most cases done by the driver alone.

I can assure you guys of the 190 mph speed, I've been Mystic C5000 and we did a 180 turn @ 140 mph:eekdrop: The boat is built like none other.

I don't believe anyone is saying it won't do it, they are questioning "if" they were really running at that speed.

And that's being kind.

+1000

An awesome powerboat! Glad it turned out good.

Yep......agree with all of this post.

Hitting the hornets nest with a stick is one thing; but the post you refer is in serious bad taste.

On a different note; Great article!

You are a fvcking moron.

There are a lot of go fast boat owners now that have more than one boat. Be it a CC, pontoon, ski boat, whatever. I feel pretty confident in saying that when they're out there with their family, the last thing they would think is cool, is a boat doing a wide, sweeping turn near them at 190 mph.

Just like having a corvette, or any serious car, takes a mature person to understand safe and common sense, it's the same way on the water. Unfortunately, the accidents take place every single year. Mostly drunks, but some just funnin around. It's already ruined night boating, on many rivers people are too scared to go out, and on many lakes people from pontoons and up have to deal with speed limits because of the crazies.

Matt is right. I continue to be amazed that anyone can see anything at those speeds, much less a PWC or kayak or whatever. Three miles a second. I know for certain my eyes aren't that good, I wonder if anyone's really are. There's a reason drag races and racing in general isn't allowed on the roadways. Nobody else would stand a chance.

Not an indictment of performance boating. Just some boaters, many of whom have ruined boating in general in many areas. The first time you hit anything will be your last. At those speeds, it probably would be the very last thing you do.

That equates to 10,800 mph :lolhit:


Maybe .05 of a mile in 1 second at 190 mph. Or, 3 miles per minute.

However I agree with your other comments :)

A dangerous formula for disaster not "IF" but "WHEN". :(

Personally I thought the article was premature and not up to the quality that I have come to expect from Mr. Trullio's reporting. The " Unconfirmed reports" are leading to many speculations about the irresponsible actions of the crew aboard of MY WAY. The use of "Unconfirmed reports" is not explaining the entire scenario as it played out by the players involved but there is an onus of fault on MY WAY (even though no one apparently knows the real story in it's entirety) or even how fast the boat was even running.

There are rules to right of way for operating a vessel including a PWC - ever see a PWC actually respect the rules of the road? If MY WAY was negligent in obeying the right of way of the PWC then lay the blame on the operators of the MYSTIC. If a PWC was involved and in violation of MY WAY's right of way... well we do not know do we??? nothing is substantiated 100% - just speculated but personal opinions are being made - same as the 28 pages of the 29OL rollover.

As far as the comment about running down the PWC, although it's definitely not politically correct - talk to a long haul trucker about how they handle cars that cut them off traveling down the interstate. If they have run the roads long enough they will probably tell you that they don't swerve or lift the throttle - not worth it to save one dumb a$$ and cause injury or death to themselves or anyone following behind or along side while they take evasive maneuvers to miss the offending vehicle. That car, just keeps driving home safe and sound while everyone else (and their families) involved deals with the aftermath and the tragedy...

Think you need to reread this :
"To me, the details of what happened are irrelevant. What is relevant is the 400-pound gorilla sitting on my keyboard and in the back of more than a few minds.

What was the boat doing at that speed in such an uncontrolled environment, the kind where any vessel—a personal watercraft for example—could stray into its path?"

and then ask yourself who in their right mind would drive a boat at speeds possibly approaching 190mph or 150 mph in a uncontrolled environment ?

Right of way rules

RULE 6
Safe Speed
Every vessel shall at all times proceed at a safe speed so that she
can take proper and effective action to avoid collision and be stopped
within a distance appropriate to the prevailing circumstances and
conditions.


RULE 7
Risk of Collision
(a) Every vessel shall use all available means appropriate to the
prevailing circumstances and conditions to determine if risk of
collision exists. If there is any doubt such risk shall be deemed to
exist.

Very well said. Personally, I think the only SAFE way to go over 100mph is on the race course...but honestly the boats racing are going too fast these days anyway in the big classes. When a Formula 1 team starts to go "too" fast, they restrict them. Theres also a reason Nascar has basically been going the same speed for 15 years...restrictions. What do we do in the offshore world? Add two more engines or turbines and go even faster...

OK my dad and I were in last place ( if there were places) and we saw bill in eel bay for people who know the area there's no way he was going 190 there!!!! bill loves speed but he's not an idiot! !!! And at the evening banquet there was nothing said about any close calls

Where it happened...
 

I am a little surprised there have been no conversations about where this happened.

There are places where the St Lawrence is only 0.07 miles wide in the area of A Bay. One of the wider places is near Cape Vincent and that is 1.22 miles, but constricts in a fairly short distance east... well short distance at great speed.

Please understand, these are bank to bank widths, not "safe" channel widths.

There are two possible sweeping turns which come to mind on the western end of the River. Around Carleton Island and just to the east of A Bay, but that is not to say that is where the near fatal incident occurred.

I have spent a great deal of time on this portion of the River and can assure you there are no, No, NO excuses for the reported speed with the slight exception of the the very few miles to the east of Carleton Island. Well, unless they might be willing to go 1.8 miles west of Cape Vincent into Lake Ontario... oh, sorry, no spectators!

Again, with the exception of just east of Carleton Island, jet ski and small craft activity on almost any day is unbelievable. And likely even more so on what should have been the first weekend of school aged children's summer in NY!

There are places on the River where there are speed limits for all craft and places where there are speed limits for selected craft. I, for one, would hate to think we would start to see traffic control devises on the water everywhere.

I can just see getting to the middle of Lake Ontario and having a 4 way stop! OK, just kidding!

Rules of the road don't mean jack in some scenarios, you can look in both directions but a few seconds later a boat hauling major a$$ can be upon you before you know it. Most people don't have the perspective of 100 MPH+, boats generally travel at common speeds and we're tuned in to those speeds when making decisions.

I've been in situations where I've had people on me before I realized it and I'm in the sport, sometimes things just happen and you're not prepared for it.

That's where the onus is on the operator of a boat/vehicle that travels well above the usual speeds. There's places to run these machines safely and those where common sense must prevail. This is just generally speaking and I don't know the specifics of this incident but I'd have a hard time assessing blame when running well out of the boundaries of the norm.

First of all thank god no one was killed, that in itself is a miracle. Matt good article. But with all that being said I have to ask WTF? Who really believes they are qualified to not only drive a boat this fast but to do it in a smaller area where the others around them are unaware that the person coming at them has a death wish. Not to mention he had passengers who's life he was responsible for. This is pure stupidity this is wreckless and that is not debatable. It is these people that give this sport the negative public opinion. In my opinion everyone should be outraged by the actions of this driver and he should be well aware that the boating community does not condone this type of wreckless behavior from any of it's members. Time and place certainly come to mind and also you don't need passengers at those speeds, they will become victims!

I wasn't implying that MY Way was innocent - just that the conclusions people seem to be drawing is that speed is the factor but hard facts are not given just speculation as to how fast the boat was actually running. ... and any other of the variables that could have come into play.

It is a game of chance running at speed on land or water. In Germany I run a Benz across the country to visit friends. The car is caplable of 300km/hr ( 186mph) but I haven't been over 200km on the Autobahn - road conditions and traffic volume just didn't allow for it..... but it seems that it is assumed that MY Way runs hammer down 100% of the time without regards to surroundings

i dont know about you guys but ive had several close calls with seadoos, and dumbass wake board boats, hell yes if the powers there were going to stretch her out, ive had boaters cut rite in frt of me not paying attention. i always look ahead, behind and to the side before i make a turn. these other guys think cause there pulling a tube and want to jump my wake that im going slo so they cut in frt of you and before there rope is away from the frt of my boat cause they think were going 30 i have to get out of the throttle and make a hard turn to avoid running over there kid, scares the hell out of me, makes you want to give them a ticket for being a dumbass.

* 100% I felt the cost guard did a great job keeping the course clear of onlookers

So what your saying is that we have one turbine powered mystic doing exhibition laps alone on a race course, while we have multiple turbine mystics racing at an exhibition event... or am I just dyslexic :cartman:

I still doubt that they were actually going 190mph. We all know that the boat is more than capable of doing it, i just doubt that they were.

Obviously they were going too fast for the conditions present, but let's be serious here, aint no way that boat is going to stay water side down at that speed, while spinning three times, and with no one even getting so much as a scratch.

If someone who was in the boat gets on here and says "yes, we were going 191mph when we spun three times" then i will believe it, but I sure as hell aint believing a bunch of spectators. Most of them probably just heard that the boat can run over 190mph so they assumed that it was going that fast.

OOPS ! Quick draw math on my part.

Yes 3 miles a minute. :lolhit: