Commentary: The Spin on 190
06-30-2012 | 05:08 AM
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What I don't get is the complaints about speed ......in a PRA poker run lots of guys are on throttles not just myway or aqua mania, this isn't a blow boaters event.
If anything at all maybe they need to revisit safety precautions ie- course makers, more pace boats ?
Would love to hear from guys that actually participate in river based poker runs
I've only been to the 1000islands poker run as a spectator and love watching 80 boats givnr not putting along
If anything at all maybe they need to revisit safety precautions ie- course makers, more pace boats ?
Would love to hear from guys that actually participate in river based poker runs
I've only been to the 1000islands poker run as a spectator and love watching 80 boats givnr not putting along
06-30-2012 | 05:33 AM
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From: Toledo Oh
What I don't get is the complaints about speed ......in a PRA poker run lots of guys are on throttles not just myway or aqua mania, this isn't a blow boaters event.
If anything at all maybe they need to revisit safety precautions ie- course makers, more pace boats ?
Would love to hear from guys that actually participate in river based poker runs
I've only been to the 1000islands poker run as a spectator and love watching 80 boats givnr not putting along
If anything at all maybe they need to revisit safety precautions ie- course makers, more pace boats ?
Would love to hear from guys that actually participate in river based poker runs
I've only been to the 1000islands poker run as a spectator and love watching 80 boats givnr not putting along
I dont think anybody is saying not to push the sticks and have some fun on a poker run. But if you want to push the envelope, hang it all the way out, and lean over the edge, the race course is the safer place to do it. Safer for you, safer for the spectators and safer for the guy on the jtski or pontoon boat out screwing around not paying attention. Had Myway caught and barrel rolled or blown over instead of spinning at a poker run, how soon would medics and divers be on scene? had he hit someone, how soon would medics and divers be on scene? On a sanctioned racecourse, probably in less than 60 seconds.
06-30-2012 | 06:46 AM
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Exactly!
I think to sumise whats been said , its not a complaint of speed per se, but of speed per conditions. Mystics are race boats with limited visibilty (canopy). On a race course you have a closed secure course with patrol boats, med boats with medics and divers plus a helo with divers should something go wrong..
My intent has not be to blame, but to point to facts. And the facts as represented by the videos is there were people NOT acting in a responsible manner.
If my memory serves me correctly there are something like 12 different law enforcement agencies on the River with local, state and all the various federal, and also the Canadians. All that needs to happen is one of them decide there is an issue with safety and/or regulations and that could be the end of PRs on the River for anything over 40'.
06-30-2012 | 01:21 PM
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...since we all know the law means nothing!
I think I am reading this right and when I spent a lot of time on the St Lawrence it was talked about from time to time and discussed in Captain's School Classes in Clayton. Aren't the 2 boats in question 50'ers...
Speed restrictions
(14) The St. Lawrence Seaway waters of the St. Lawrence River are a controlled speed area. The speed limits in U.S. waters are in accordance with 33 CFR 401. (See 33 CFR 401, chapter 2.)
(15) The maximum speeds for vessels in excess of 40 feet (12.2 meters) in length are in effect in the following areas unless otherwise indicated through Seaway Notices:
(23) McNair Island Light Buoy 137A to Deer Island Light 186, 11.5 knots (10.5 knots at high water)
(24) Deer Island Light 186 to Bartlett Point Light 227, 8.5 knots upbound and 10.5 knots downbound
(25) Bartlett Point Light 227 to Tibbetts Point, 13 knots (10.5 knots at high water)
Before I get accused of making this up or fabricating/doctoring it, it comes from GREAT LAKES-ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY Publication . I did remove the first few references because they are not germane to this conversation.
http://www.marad.dot.gov/publications.
I think I am reading this right and when I spent a lot of time on the St Lawrence it was talked about from time to time and discussed in Captain's School Classes in Clayton. Aren't the 2 boats in question 50'ers...
Speed restrictions
(14) The St. Lawrence Seaway waters of the St. Lawrence River are a controlled speed area. The speed limits in U.S. waters are in accordance with 33 CFR 401. (See 33 CFR 401, chapter 2.)
(15) The maximum speeds for vessels in excess of 40 feet (12.2 meters) in length are in effect in the following areas unless otherwise indicated through Seaway Notices:
(23) McNair Island Light Buoy 137A to Deer Island Light 186, 11.5 knots (10.5 knots at high water)
(24) Deer Island Light 186 to Bartlett Point Light 227, 8.5 knots upbound and 10.5 knots downbound
(25) Bartlett Point Light 227 to Tibbetts Point, 13 knots (10.5 knots at high water)
Before I get accused of making this up or fabricating/doctoring it, it comes from GREAT LAKES-ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY Publication . I did remove the first few references because they are not germane to this conversation.
http://www.marad.dot.gov/publications.
06-30-2012 | 01:49 PM
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Yes, I have...
...in a 29'er which did a GPS 61 mph on the St Lawrence about 5 years ago.
All I am doing is posting the regulations, not damning the activity.
We were open from west of Carleton to about Blanket Island when we started to get into other boat traffic, for obvious safety reasons, backed off to comfortable "on plane". Still got pulled over for speeding in the "narrows" (just a bit to the west of A-Bay) by the NYSP Marine Division. Luckily he knew my charter and a friend in another branch was on duty.
All I am doing is posting the regulations, not damning the activity.
We were open from west of Carleton to about Blanket Island when we started to get into other boat traffic, for obvious safety reasons, backed off to comfortable "on plane". Still got pulled over for speeding in the "narrows" (just a bit to the west of A-Bay) by the NYSP Marine Division. Luckily he knew my charter and a friend in another branch was on duty.
06-30-2012 | 02:32 PM
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I think to sumise whats been said , its not a complaint of speed per se, but of speed per conditions. Mystics are race boats with limited visibilty (canopy). On a race course you have a closed secure course with patrol boats, med boats with medics and divers plus a helo with divers should something go wrong.
I dont think anybody is saying not to push the sticks and have some fun on a poker run. But if you want to push the envelope, hang it all the way out, and lean over the edge, the race course is the safer place to do it. Safer for you, safer for the spectators and safer for the guy on the jtski or pontoon boat out screwing around not paying attention. Had Myway caught and barrel rolled or blown over instead of spinning at a poker run, how soon would medics and divers be on scene? had he hit someone, how soon would medics and divers be on scene? On a sanctioned racecourse, probably in less than 60 seconds.
I dont think anybody is saying not to push the sticks and have some fun on a poker run. But if you want to push the envelope, hang it all the way out, and lean over the edge, the race course is the safer place to do it. Safer for you, safer for the spectators and safer for the guy on the jtski or pontoon boat out screwing around not paying attention. Had Myway caught and barrel rolled or blown over instead of spinning at a poker run, how soon would medics and divers be on scene? had he hit someone, how soon would medics and divers be on scene? On a sanctioned racecourse, probably in less than 60 seconds.
