38 cigarette vs 38 fastech vs 42 BT
 

After the last poker run momma is ready to start looking at boats again. I am looking to be in the high 70's to mid 80's on speed would any of these setups see that?

96 cig 38ft with twin 502 MAG
98 fastech 38ft with twin 500's
43 ft BT with twin 500hps

What's motors does it take to get each of these boats to that number? I am looking for some reliable motors not some high HP that are rebuilt ever 150-200 hours.

Fastech with twin 500's (I don't think they had HP500EFI back then) will get you mid 70's. No idea about the others....probably slower. This is a stepped hull.....others are not (I don't think the BT is stepped).

Cig with 502's will run aroun 65. BT With 500's I assume would be the same (big boat!)

Really, those are very different boats.

The 382 will run just over 70, maybe 72.
38 cig with 502 mags might hit 65
43 BT with 500's might just hit 70

Cig (straight bottom) with 600's just under 80
BT with 500 HP's (this is a steped bottom boat) just over 70
Formula I am not sure

I owned both the cig and the BT mentioned above

41 VELOCITY. big useable cabin. bathroom for momma, 500s 80- 84 mph. more power faster. Handles big water.

You can buy my 2004 382 Fastech with 525's and run 72-74 for less then $110k :whistle:

386 Sonic with 525's or 575's will run mid to upper 70's Active Thunder a little faster. Those will have the best cabin space. 382 fastec Formula is low 70's and there is no driver feedback, my buddy has one, nice boat but not a huge cabin, hard to work on the motors worse with a gen and you feel like your just steering it. Black Thunder, huge cabin I only like the GT the others look like a RV inside and no fun docking in wind. Cig is a great boat but slow with flat bottom and small power, most dont have the best setup or cabin for weekending. Need to nail down how much you wanna spend and what the cabin has to have, you have a Sonic now so unless you dont use the cabin or are both under 5 feet it will be hard to find alot of boats with the same head room.

All the boats mentioned above were around 80k....I have pros and cons of all three. Boatme what was your feelings after owning hem, and I am guessing you mean 500s not 600's.

I have a nice kryptonite 39 w/500 efi's and xr drives for sale in the classifieds,runs 90 would go alittle faster with a little tweaking.

The 1998 382 is the same hull as my old 2002 382......650hp/side would hit 86-87. I propped mine for mid-range and cruised 3,500 at 58, WOT at 83 (flat water, 95 degrees).

Making a carbed 500 a 540ci with good heads/compression will get you in the 650hp range. Getting any of those boat to 85 means a spare drive needs to be in the garage.

Looks lke I may be looking for something with some 525's to get in he 80's

Are they all just to heavy to get to that speed? What would be a good "light" 80mph boat

Fuelin,

Do you want the cabin space? The BT will have that but is a BIG boat. (You trailer with a F250 right?).

Cig is a true 38, Fastec is a 38'.2" boat counting the swim (2feet?). Straight bottom cigs are great boats but take power to move, do you still boat mainly in the Ohio?

Need to decide what is important, speed or cabin room. As others said if you are used to the head room on your Sonic, may want to think about another one.

cig weight??? (but heavy)
382 weight: 10,500 dry
BT weight: around 11,500-12,000 dry


Velocity, Active Thunder, Fountain will all run 80+ with 500's in 37-39 foot boats with AT having the largest cabin of the 3.
FYI: a 42 Fountain cabin was slightly SMALLER than my 382 cabin.

All good info posted above, but know what you are getting into if you want the mentioned boats to run at or near 80. If they are Bravo boats.... You will need to have a few (or more) spare drives sitting around, especially with the BT. Just sayin'

Good luck with your search. That's the best part of finding a new boat!!! :)

+2

No I had 600 SC in the cig (straight bottom)
500 HP in the BT (stepped hull)

Loved all my go fast boats
If you want to see the three i had running this is a video i put together on the three bigger boats i owned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSCquwf3SeY
They are all differnt and very cool boat i loved all three

Docking the BT SC was no problem after just a bit of experiance with it. I bought the BT 43' new, and I sold it with 410 hours on it. I did nothing but change the drive oil and engine oil I never had any drive issues but i was carfull getting on plane I ran the boat in some nasty water I agree at least XRs were needed but i had good luck with the brovos.
That said i blew a few drives on the CIG lol

If you stay on your boat the ONLY option is a Black Thunder. Once you go Black you never go back!
I run with quite a few friends BT's and love them. Ridden on and driven many. They are very fast hulls actually and handle the rough well. Coolermans run 130-140mph in the LOTO shootout in a 43BT!

If I had to own 1 boat instead of 2 it would be a Black Thunder.

a 37 stilletto runs 85 with a pr of 500 hp's and has 6 feet of head room in the cabin. you can buy cig92's 100mph+ stilletto for under 100k

Where, what year?

41' Velocity will do 80 with stock 500's through big water . Also has a large cabin and seating area IMO

Not trying to steal the thread just a question.

A 38' 1998/2000 Cig Top gun (non-step) with Merc 525's........what is she running?

looh at a Hustler 40 as well

38-42 Fountain
37 AT
38 TS Cig

None are "light", but they are faster hulls and will run 80+ with 500's. You might find a 38-42 Fountain in the 80k range.

42 fountain w/525efi,s and a stagered set should run 80plus no problem.look aroud.there are some deals.the cabin/cockpit are gona be smaller,but weight is speed.

Low 70's.

Slower if it's calm.

+1!

I have to agree, sounds like the 37 Stilleto has everything that you want based on your criteria. Take a look at one, I think you'd be happy. Sounds like some good deals out there also.

I have a 1997 43BT with twin 650's no blowers!! 25 hours on motors and drives and a little over 200 hours on hull! all new paint, interior, and cockpit/cabin carpet. $74,950!!!!
http://www.performanceboatbrokerage....sp?boat_id=586
Brett

I like these but heard they have been having problems with rolling. Can't remember how many threads I have seen about it over the past few years.

What drives to hold these drivetrains together? Is xr's enough?

Ummmm none that come to mind! There's zero problems with the hull.

At 6:45 of the video you have that thing flying pretty nie and a few boats behind you re struggling..If it wasa damn twin step I would buy it back tomorrow !!! Loved that boat !!

Go ride in an drive a top gun. You wont look back. Jmo. Artie

A Hustler Slingshot -38 w/ 500's will run low low 80's.
A BT and Formula are condos and the Cig is all business.

I want a 80 mph reliable condo lol

I have no idea where you heard that these boats roll. I'm not aware of any 37 OLs that have rolled, anything can roll if you drive it stupid I guess.

Just saw this on Craigslist
http://loz.craigslist.org/bod/3177174263.html

No NO No stay far away from Outerlimits and Nortech's . cuz thats what I am shopping for :party-smiley-004:.

But no you wont find better build boats in those two and Cigarette. The OL and NT will have bigger cabins. The only problem some older OL 37's had and Mike told me this at a boat show so dont jump on me OL guys ,was the Bravo boats with a high X dim were hard on drives if you didnt drive them real good but now with the better gears and better XR drives it's not a problem. So your safe and good stuff is out there.