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mcprodesign 01-02-2013 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by dyersblowers (Post 3841018)
Here's a link to our 575sci conversions to 871s.

Polished 871s are $3750.00 per engine.

http://www.dyersblowers.com/187/1676.html

Bill Dyer

How much boost will a stock 2004 575 handle anyway

mcprodesign 01-02-2013 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by troper (Post 3767055)
Finish the install and took it out yesterday afternoon. She ran great with no problems. 97degrees and I did 1 WOT run, boost was right at 5 lbs spinning Lab 30P and hitting the rev limiter. solid 85 MPH. Did not think I would be that fast with a non step 12000lbs boat. I am a happy camper. If anyone is thinking about doing this upgrade to the 575, don't hesitate it's well worth it. Let me know if you have any questions.

How does she Idle? Got any video

MILD THUNDER 01-18-2013 01:42 PM

so is it safe to say you gained 4-5mph just by switching to the larger blower and running almost same boost??

MILD THUNDER 01-18-2013 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by mcprodesign (Post 3841154)
How much boost will a stock 2004 575 handle anyway

With its low compression, I don't see why 7lbs, maybe even 8lbs with that 871 non intercooled, with better headgaskets. I bet the 871 is making less heat at 7lbs than the 256 was at 4.5 lbs.

troper 01-18-2013 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3851240)
so is it safe to say you gained 4-5mph just by switching to the larger blower and running almost same boost??

You are correct.

hammer01 01-18-2013 07:56 PM

What speeds were you at with stock 575's. the other 2 40's I use to run with were true 70 mph boats on GPS. Congrats on your build. I've heard great things with minor upgrades to 575's.

MILD THUNDER 01-18-2013 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by troper (Post 3851358)
You are correct.

That's awesome. Pretty much what I gained going from 250 blowers to 420 blowers.

Im Not anti intercooler, but I don't know many guys running roots who installed chillers under their blowers and picked up 5mph or better. Especially in a boat like a 40 outlaw! Good stuff.

Now try cranking the boost up another 1-2psi, and report back. The 871 will do it no problem.

4bus 01-18-2013 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3851474)
That's awesome. Pretty much what I gained going from 250 blowers to 420 blowers.

Im Not anti intercooler, but I don't know many guys running roots who installed chillers under their blowers and picked up 5mph or better. Especially in a boat like a 40 outlaw! Good stuff.

Now try cranking the boost up another 1-2psi, and report back. The 871 will do it no problem.

I agree. Makes me rethink my current mods.

Those giant satin finish blowers are just beggin tk be painted merc blue, I think they would look sick!

TRL505 01-19-2013 09:26 AM

4bus...are what mods did you do to your 575's? Chillers, heads, cam?? Did you have them Dynod? Jus curious.

Eric

4bus 01-19-2013 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by TRL505 (Post 3851612)
4bus...are what mods did you do to your 575's? Chillers, heads, cam?? Did you have them Dynod? Jus curious.

Eric

In the process right now. Following precision marine's set up (pmefi.com) Same 575 story-

full roller conversion
3.5 pulley
ECU reflash
120 degree stat
plumbing for chillers but going to test without to start.

My objective was to improve more than it was to add speed. I thought the boat performed well on top stock, and was very reliable.

My issues were idle, loading up, soot/extreme richness, and known HG failures. The cam change was a give in, seeing that we had the heads off.

I have to say if I did not read oso I most likely would have left them in and just did an ecu and pulley.....the talk on this site scared me into tearing the heads and cams out of engines with 60 hrs!

My engines and boat also sat for 8 years, showing only 3 hrs on the ecus. Builder saw signs of spring fatigue on a few valves and the edge of an intake lifter was missing tiny pieces and marked the cam. Lower end is perfect.

Man I ramble.......sorry, back to the OP :lolhit:

mcprodesign 01-19-2013 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3851242)
With its low compression, I don't see why 7lbs, maybe even 8lbs with that 871 non intercooled, with better headgaskets. I bet the 871 is making less heat at 7lbs than the 256 was at 4.5 lbs.

Do you think temp on an intercooled 250 is similar to a non intercooled 871 @ 7lbs? Thanks for the input

TRL505 01-19-2013 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by 4bus (Post 3851633)
In the process right now. Following precision marine's set up (pmefi.com) Same 575 story-

full roller conversion
3.5 pulley
ECU reflash
120 degree stat
plumbing for chillers but going to test without to start.

My objective was to improve more than it was to add speed. I thought the boat performed well on top stock, and was very reliable.

My issues were idle, loading up, soot/extreme richness, and known HG failures. The cam change was a give in, seeing that we had the heads off.

I have to say if I did not read oso I most likely would have left them in and just did an ecu and pulley.....the talk on this site scared me into tearing the heads and cams out of engines with 60 hrs!

My engines and boat also sat for 8 years, showing only 3 hrs on the ecus. Builder saw signs of spring fatigue on a few valves and the edge of an intake lifter was missing tiny pieces and marked the cam. Lower end is perfect.

Man I ramble.......sorry, back to the OP :lolhit:

What speeds were you seeing when stock?

MILD THUNDER 01-19-2013 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by mcprodesign (Post 3851655)
Do you think temp on an intercooled 250 is similar to a non intercooled 871 @ 7lbs? Thanks for the input

I cant really answer that. My guess is the non intercooled 871 will have a cooler temp than the intercooled 250, and much longer blower life.

I have never seen a test on a typical "superchiller'' style intercooler, providing temperature data or efficiency numbers. I know if I was manufacturing a product and selling it, I would provide those numbers, especially if they were worth talking about.

I am also not aware, of anyone adding a superchiller, keeping the same boost level, and netting mph gains anywhere near what the OP did, or myself, from stepping up to a larger blower. Sure, adding a chiller AND upping the boost, has netted speed gains, but then again, it should. Boost is HP.

keegan 01-19-2013 02:40 PM

I am running 6-7 lbs on my new DMPE rebuilt blowers without chillers. Running aftermarket aluminum heads though. Eddie @ Young Performance got me some nice custom ground roller cams. This combo is perfect.

TRL505 01-19-2013 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by keegan (Post 3851765)
I am running 6-7 lbs on my new DMPE rebuilt blowers without chillers. Running aftermarket aluminum heads though. Eddie @ Young Performance got me some nice custom ground roller cams. This combo is perfect.

And fast....

4bus 01-19-2013 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by TRL505 (Post 3851750)
What speeds were you seeing when stock?

Runs a consistent 88 mph in the summer heat. Cooler days it has broke 90. Last run of last year with water and air temps in the 50's it did 92.7 on the limiters. I wish it ran like that every day. The thought is chiller would give these engines cold weather performance year round???

I am hoping to see a real 5 mph gain from my mods with out a prop change or chiller, then go from there.

I am running the plumbing for the chillers but waiting on the install. I want to get spring run numbers, then summer heat numbers first. I will then add the chillers in the heat of the summer and see there is a a change. I will also monitor the knock sensor activity with and without chillers.

This is my plan, we will see if I have the same desire this summer.

the deep 01-19-2013 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by 4bus (Post 3851865)
Runs a consistent 88 mph in the summer heat. Cooler days it has broke 90. Last run of last year with water and air temps in the 50's it did 92.7 on the limiters. I wish it ran like that every day. The thought is chiller would give these engines cold weather performance year round???

I am hoping to see a real 5 mph gain from my mods with out a prop change or chiller, then go from there.

I am running the plumbing for the chillers but waiting on the install. I want to get spring run numbers, then summer heat numbers first. I will then add the chillers in the heat of the summer and see there is a a change. I will also monitor the knock sensor activity with and without chillers.

This is my plan, we will see if I have the same desire this summer.

Your plans , if you follow through , would produce some great information for guys like me .

mike tkach 01-19-2013 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by 4bus (Post 3851865)
Runs a consistent 88 mph in the summer heat. Cooler days it has broke 90. Last run of last year with water and air temps in the 50's it did 92.7 on the limiters. I wish it ran like that every day. The thought is chiller would give these engines cold weather performance year round???

I am hoping to see a real 5 mph gain from my mods with out a prop change or chiller, then go from there.

I am running the plumbing for the chillers but waiting on the install. I want to get spring run numbers, then summer heat numbers first. I will then add the chillers in the heat of the summer and see there is a a change. I will also monitor the knock sensor activity with and without chillers.

This is my plan, we will see if I have the same desire this summer.

when its 90 degreese and 90 %humidity,the chiller will help increase hp more than on a cool,dry day.

TRL505 01-20-2013 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by 4bus (Post 3851865)
Runs a consistent 88 mph in the summer heat. Cooler days it has broke 90. Last run of last year with water and air temps in the 50's it did 92.7 on the limiters. I wish it ran like that every day. The thought is chiller would give these engines cold weather performance year round???

I am hoping to see a real 5 mph gain from my mods with out a prop change or chiller, then go from there.

I am running the plumbing for the chillers but waiting on the install. I want to get spring run numbers, then summer heat numbers first. I will then add the chillers in the heat of the summer and see there is a a change. I will also monitor the knock sensor activity with and without chillers.

This is my plan, we will see if I have the same desire this summer.

Do it!!!!:evilb:

MILD THUNDER 01-20-2013 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by TRL505 (Post 3852024)
Do it!!!!:evilb:

I agree!!!!

JRider 01-22-2013 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by mcprodesign (Post 3841154)
How much boost will a stock 2004 575 handle anyway

I am at 9.5psi intercooled.

JRider 01-22-2013 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by 4bus (Post 3851865)
Runs a consistent 88 mph in the summer heat. Cooler days it has broke 90. Last run of last year with water and air temps in the 50's it did 92.7 on the limiters. I wish it ran like that every day. The thought is chiller would give these engines cold weather performance year round???

I am hoping to see a real 5 mph gain from my mods with out a prop change or chiller, then go from there.

I am running the plumbing for the chillers but waiting on the install. I want to get spring run numbers, then summer heat numbers first. I will then add the chillers in the heat of the summer and see there is a a change. I will also monitor the knock sensor activity with and without chillers.

This is my plan, we will see if I have the same desire this summer.

With cam change and limiter raised, I would think that 5mph is very doable without a prop change.

mcprodesign 01-22-2013 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by JRider (Post 3853185)
I am at 9.5psi intercooled.

you are an animal


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