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X-Rated30 09-17-2012 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic (Post 3778202)
Performance/capability: My first twin O/B 24' Sonic ran dead nuts on 80 GPS w/twin 250 O/B's (approx. 490 hp's total). I ran a guy in a 24' HTM cat w/a 500 HP (470 hp's??) and was a dead heat.
Ran a buddy's 25' Outlaw w/the same 500 HP and I had him by about 3 mph's but my boat had slowed down approx. 3 mph's by that time so I'd say the Outlaw was at 73/74.
From what I've seen, it appears that a single 500-ish I/O will push an efficient Vee 70/low 70's where a cat will see another 10 maybe. :

My 30 Spectre ran mid 90s with 250s. Dialed in, Mercury Racing said 101.

kreed 09-17-2012 02:04 PM

Just found this cat VS "v" video...its old, but definately makes a statement...enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUnbmh16_2o

Twin O/B Sonic 09-17-2012 02:06 PM

Imo,........
 

Originally Posted by X-Rated30 (Post 3778443)
My 30 Spectre ran mid 90s with 250s. Dialed in, Mercury Racing said 101.

it's difficult to compare cat to vee due to current designs. Once the cats hit, the vee's development slowed way down. Especially in O/B configuration in comparison to your Spectre.
One of the most modern (few) I can think of is the Tuff 29 up in Canada.
With 300 XS's I think (it's been a while) they had it it into the mid/high 90's and I think over 100 w/a killer I/O.
I think they had a 29' Progression O/B into the 90's as well.

The bottom of my Sonic is ancient (round keel!) and has roots back to the 70's Donzi's :helmet: :cartman::whistle:

Twin O/B Sonic 09-17-2012 02:17 PM

Very cool.
 

Originally Posted by kreed (Post 3778459)
Just found this cat VS "v" video...its old, but definately makes a statement...enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUnbmh16_2o

Watch at 2:24, how close the helicopter comes to the mast of the sail boat in the turn :poopoo:

26awesome 09-17-2012 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by kreed (Post 3778459)
Just found this cat VS "v" video...its old, but definately makes a statement...enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUnbmh16_2o

Have you been to an offshore race in the last 10 years? Have you been in a large poker run in the last 10 years? It is 2012 not 1990. V bottom boats are great for family's but not for going fast! Have a look at the 38 Fountain video at LOTO you would NEVER see a CAT of similar size going that speed (60,70ish) get that out of shape. Maybe at 100mph or more things will happen but not at the speeds that the Fountain was going. I did the poker runs of america run about 5 years ago in St. Pete's and it was rough 30 plus boats started and only 10 boats made it to the first card stop. 8 were CATS and only 2 were V bottoms. You don't always have to go 100 plus in a cat but it sure is nice knowing you can safely.

PARADOX 09-17-2012 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by 26awesome (Post 3778771)
Have you been to an offshore race in the last 10 years? Have you been in a large poker run in the last 10 years? It is 2012 not 1990. V bottom boats are great for family's but not for going fast! Have a look at the 38 Fountain video at LOTO you would NEVER see a CAT of similar size going that speed (60,70ish) get that out of shape. Maybe at 100mph or more things will happen but not at the speeds that the Fountain was going. I did the poker runs of america run about 5 years ago in St. Pete's and it was rough 30 plus boats started and only 10 boats made it to the first card stop. 8 were CATS and only 2 were V bottoms. You don't always have to go 100 plus in a cat but it sure is nice knowing you can safely.

Yes, yes and yes, And with alll do respect. Yes. given the same size and same HP cats are faster. Given the same size and and the same seas. (say 7-8 +) cats willl lag behind, unless you above the 45 -50 foot range. And yes. I done a bunch of Poker Runs, and every time we get some serious chit waters the same size (30 to 35) cats will lag behind me. Even if they are faster in 1-2 light chops. And yes.. I have all the vids to show it. And yes. I also like cats, and V's for different reasions. They both have they pros and cons. but no one can and should tell me one is better then the other. They are different for different use. That's it. And yess. I am still courious how many cats are there VS V's. And yes, may be one day I own a cat, but not becouse it's better, just becous I will have a diferent use or needs.
Period. End of line. :)

Michael1 09-17-2012 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by Twin O/B Sonic (Post 3778466)
Watch at 2:24, how close the helicopter comes to the mast of the sail boat in the turn :poopoo:

That sailboat is pretty close to the action, too!

Great video. I like how you can hear the sound of the engines from the helicopter. I don't believe you can hear that in today's coverage.

Michael

shootitup 09-18-2012 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by PARADOX (Post 3778840)
Yes, yes and yes, And with alll do respect. Yes. given the same size and same HP cats are faster. Given the same size and and the same seas. (say 7-8 +) cats willl lag behind, unless you above the 45 -50 foot range. And yes. I done a bunch of Poker Runs, and every time we get some serious chit waters the same size (30 to 35) cats will lag behind me. Even if they are faster in 1-2 light chops. And yes.. I have all the vids to show it. And yes. I also like cats, and V's for different reasions. They both have they pros and cons. but no one can and should tell me one is better then the other. They are different for different use. That's it. And yess. I am still courious how many cats are there VS V's. And yes, may be one day I own a cat, but not becouse it's better, just becous I will have a diferent use or needs.
Period. End of line. :)

What speed you can keep up in 7-8 seas ?

X-Rated30 09-18-2012 02:48 AM


Originally Posted by shootitup (Post 3778897)
What speed you can keep up in 7-8 seas ?

Yeah - you know, APACHE water! :party-smiley-004: (Someone had to say it.)

phragle 09-18-2012 04:34 AM

Ask Elvis...Vee's with beaks are cat killers...


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