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PhilV30 11-12-2012 01:05 PM

21' Scout, making a comeback !
 
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Greatlaker 11-12-2012 07:31 PM

More info??? who building it?

PhilV30 11-12-2012 08:28 PM

New company named Defender Powerboats. Molds were purchased in Georgia and brought back to Florida.

PhilV30 11-13-2012 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by PhilV30 (Post 3813857)
New company named Defender Powerboats. Molds were purchased in Georgia and brought back to Florida.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCN22061.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCN22051.jpg

akaboatman 11-13-2012 08:00 PM

Looking forward to seeing this build. Thanks

DirtyMoney 11-14-2012 07:37 PM

Looking good guys! Let me know when you are coming to get the 41

scarab63 11-14-2012 07:49 PM

I thought saccenti had re acquired the molds recently?
MD

J-Bonz 11-14-2012 07:53 PM

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Glass Dave has a mold for a center console that fits this boat............

akaboatman 11-14-2012 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by DirtyMoney (Post 3815260)
Looking good guys! Let me know when you are coming to get the 41

41's For Sale ??

PhilV30 11-14-2012 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by J-Bonz (Post 3815270)
Glass Dave has a mold for a center console that fits this boat............

Looks sweet J-Bonz, maybe in the future. Saw your Re-Birth thread, top notch restoration. Great looking Scout.

PhilV30 11-15-2012 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by scarab63 (Post 3815266)
I thought sachetti had re acquired the molds recently?
MD

Scarab63, saw your posts on the "apache scout ?s" thread. Did you mean Bob Saccenti ? The Scout molds belong to Defender but Bob is very involved with the Scouts comeback. Between the new Chief race boat "Warpath" and the Scout, he's keeping pretty busy.....

scarab63 11-15-2012 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by PhilV30 (Post 3815439)
Scarab63, saw your posts on the "apache scout ?s" thread. Did you mean Bob Saccenti ? The Scout molds belong to Defender but Bob is very involved with the Scouts comeback. Between the new Chief race boat "Warpath" and the Scout, he's keeping pretty busy.....

Yes....sorry on the misspell.
Very cool boat. Any tweaks planned to design?
My bud did buy that 95 scout with a merc 300x I was talking about on the other thread.
I got about 10 minutes seat time in it. It's a fukkin handful!!!!

PhilV30 11-16-2012 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by scarab63 (Post 3815962)
Yes....sorry on the misspell.
Very cool boat. Any tweaks planned to design?
My bud did buy that 95 scout with a merc 300x I was talking about on the other thread.
I got about 10 minutes seat time in it. It's a fukkin handful!!!!

Scarab63, Good to hear from you... I have no plans on redesigning the Scouts exterior, don't want to move away from the "Classic Saccenti" styling . We do have plans on the drawing board for a center console fishing version of the Scout. Ask your buddy to give Bob a call for some advice on his 95. Any pic's of the 95?

SkaterMike82 11-16-2012 09:01 AM

What part of Miami are you in ? Any plans on buying the 41 molds ?

PhilV30 11-16-2012 11:12 AM

Defender 21' Scout
 
No plans in acquiring any 41' molds. I'm focusing on the smaller range of performance boats, primarily the 21' Scout.
I'm in the Kendall area of Miami. Looking for something in the 40 range?

blkmtrfan 11-16-2012 02:46 PM

What kind of materials and methods are planned?
Do you have a target weight in mind?

And BTW, I love the idea of redoing these classics!

scarab63 11-16-2012 03:09 PM

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PhilV30 11-16-2012 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by blkmtrfan (Post 3816449)
What kind of materials and methods are planned?
Do you have a target weight in mind?

And BTW, I love the idea of redoing these classics!

I know Bob Saccenti upgraded the original lamination schedule using today's newest composite materials and technology.
We do not know exactly how much the hull and deck will weigh until we pull the first boat. Bob did say the new Scout will be lighter and stronger than the original ones he built.....

offshoredrillin 11-17-2012 06:32 AM

pretty cool, any inboard versions or all outboards?

innerrage 11-17-2012 04:58 PM

badazz looking boats,5oohp smallblock in it.maybe run in the 80s

CMC 11-17-2012 09:57 PM

I spoke with Bob in Miami a few years ago and he said he would love to have the Scout molds back. I sold my restored Scout a few years ago, and I look forward to seeing a Center Console model..

What type of glass and resin ? Use of wood ?

rchevelle71 11-17-2012 10:18 PM

Just curious,

What is the price on this, and what is your boatbuilding background?

PhilV30 11-18-2012 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by rchevelle71 (Post 3817192)
Just curious,

What is the price on this, and what is your boatbuilding background?

Very good question rchevelle71. My first Scout has not been completed yet so I can't tell you the exact weight of the boat or the exact price until it's finished.
Just that it will be comparable to other boats in it's category. As far as your other question, my area of expertise is the United States Air Force, Aircraft Maintenance of 25 yrs.
I am consulting with Bob Saccenti on building the boat and following all the marine safety and structural guidelines set by the US Coast Guard.
Please feel free PM me if you have any more questions.

scarab63 11-18-2012 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 3816787)
pretty cool, any inboard versions or all outboards?

From what I've seen of these boats making an I/0 would be a pain....
You'd lose most if not all of the back seat, & have major hatch clearance issues to work around. If you look in the pic I posted, towards the rear of the boat there's not too much freeboard......(less than a sm sutphen, scarab, etc.)
So I'm thinking to get a motor back in there, set it to a good height....you'd be left with about 1/2 the height of the engine you'd need to build a hatch over. I Think that would kill the look.
It would be fun though!

DjMikeyC 11-18-2012 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by scarab63 (Post 3817348)
From what I've seen of these boats making an I/0 would be a pain....
You'd lose most if not all of the back seat, & have major hatch clearance issues to work around. If you look in the pic I posted, towards the rear of the boat there's not too much freeboard......(less than a sm sutphen, scarab, etc.)
So I'm thinking to get a motor back in there, set it to a good height....you'd be left with about 1/2 the height of the engine you'd need to build a hatch over. I Think that would kill the look.
It would be fun though!

The I/O scouts (1986-87) had the cockpit moved forward to make room for the V-8 and still have a back seat, didn't have the long bow look of the O/B boats, and yes the engine hatch did have a bit of height to it just to clear a small block due to the low profile hull... didn't look bad though.

PhilV30 11-23-2012 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by CMC (Post 3817183)
I spoke with Bob in Miami a few years ago and he said he would love to have the Scout molds back. I sold my restored Scout a few years ago, and I look forward to seeing a Center Console model..

What type of glass and resin ? Use of wood ?

Yes, Bob Saccenti was very happy when he saw the molds again. Don't want to get in depth about the layup specifics yet, only to say that I am using the newest fiberglass materials and technology to make the Scout lighter and stronger than the early models. As far as wood goes? It's up to the customer. Can't wait to see the C/C model myself.... Here's a photo of the molds before the layup began....

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...and42Chief.jpg

dba900 11-24-2012 09:51 AM

What will you be selling these for?

PhilV30 11-24-2012 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by dba900 (Post 3820701)
What will you be selling these for?

My first Scout has not been completed yet so I can't tell you the exact weight of the boat or the exact price until it's finished.
Just that it will be comparable to other boats in it's category.

Roger 1 11-24-2012 02:22 PM

I can't wait to see this one completed. It should be something special.

Panther 11-26-2012 04:34 PM

Congrats and best of luck!

PhilV30 11-27-2012 01:22 PM

21' Scout deck vacuum bagging
 
Special thanks for all the positive posts... Production is moving foward as scheduled.

21' Scout deck being vacuum bagged. We are using today's newest composite materials and building technologies.

Defender Scouts are built of the highest quality products. We use vacuum bagging for positive saturation and removal of excess resin. The end result of this high tech process is a lighter, stronger and a cleaner uniformed lamination. Furthermore this process "eliminates" voids and air pockets within the structure that cause delimitation.. The major composite components in use are: Airex core, Vinylester resin and Multidirectional fiberglass.....



http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCF39691.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...ut/DeckVac.jpg

CMC 11-27-2012 05:40 PM

Looks good.....now get started on the CC model.....

PhilV30 11-28-2012 10:55 PM

Bob Saccenti in the shop !
 
Bob Saccenti keeps a watchful eye on the construction techniques used to build the new 21 Scout.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCN22991.jpg

PhilV30 11-28-2012 11:01 PM

21 Scout Video
 
The new Defender 21 Scout presently in production, is identical in appearance to the one shown in this video.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge1U8EsCEk&feature=player_embedded[/YOUTUBE]

J-Bonz 11-28-2012 11:11 PM

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I think I need a new engine!! I dont think the 200hp is going to cut it for to long after watching that video........................

PhilV30 11-28-2012 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by J-Bonz (Post 3823276)
I think I need a new engine!! I dont think the 200hp is going to cut it for to long after watching that video........................

LOL Hey J-Bonz, was that you testing your Scout ?
Looks like he has it trimmed a little too high....
Thanks for stopping by :)

Roger 1 11-29-2012 02:56 PM

Looks like it's coming along nicely!

J-Bonz 11-29-2012 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by PhilV30 (Post 3823286)
LOL Hey J-Bonz, was that you testing your Scout ?
Looks like he has it trimmed a little too high....
Thanks for stopping by :)

Nope, thats not mine... It looks to be running pretty fast... Next summer I need to dial mine in. The build looks like its coming along good. Its great to see Bobby involved! Cant wait for the next update!
Jr.

PhilV30 11-29-2012 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by J-Bonz (Post 3823705)
Nope, thats not mine... It looks to be running pretty fast... Next summer I need to dial mine in. The build looks like its coming along good. Its great to see Bobby involved! Cant wait for the next update!
Jr.

Thanks J-Bonz... I'll be testing in Feb/Mar time frame. I'll keep you posted. Having Bob Saccenti as a "Consultant" is like having a real life performance boating "Wikipedia" to talk with..... Can't say which boat i'm more excited to see finished first, the "New Defender 21' Scout" or the "New Chief 42' Warpath" Bobby's building for the "2013 Venture Cup Race" in June !!!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u...ath42Chief.jpg

PhilV30 12-10-2012 11:27 AM

21 Scout deck pulled from mold.
 
Scout deck being pulled from mold.
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/u.../DSCF39771.jpg


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