The many reason is they cant be teched, and you cant ck the RPM same as the Factory day when teams were runnng hot motor now its a even playing feild,there are some many merc seals out there how can that possble work. lts a free pass wlth seals once there sealed everone thlnk well he has to be legal WRONG you know that, how many teams got caught with sealed motors? The other thing is to get away from being locked to one motor builder that can fx a price to what ever they want. When Merc was helping the racers yrs ago that helped some but now theres no advantage. There are tons of motor builder out there that can build the same motor as good or better for way less money and some support this would keep the cost down a lot, and they need the business.

Last l heard to get your motor sealed at Merc lf lt needed lt or not you had to get a rebulld to go on the dyno to get sealed , and that ended up beng $10,000- $12,000 not lke the old days.

Randy,

Unless you want another novel, go away! The horse is dead. I only skimmed the surface of the unforgivable harm YOU have done over the years to this sport and I am far from perfect, but dang I never cost an association $250,000 a year like you did....

Here it is for those who dont want to do the homework and want to see FACTS:

Mercury Racing 525EFI Used: $15,000-$18,000 I will use 15,000 to keep it easy as a base

OPA legal motor: $15,000 + $9,200(Mercury only) + 1,000(shipping)=$25,200 total (NOT ENFORCED)

SBI legal motor: $15,000 + $5000(any motor builder) + 1,000(shipping, for giggles)=$21,000 total(Parameters allowed are FULLY enforced)

Expectant life of both orgs motors is 2-3 years before a freshening needed, minus springs(once a year) and regular maintenance, which should be done on any race motor

Bottom line: It will cost you $4,200 more to have a "OPA legal motor" and it is not enforced. I thought saving money was supposed to be the goal:whistle:

As I said before, clean your own house and figure out how to enforce the eloquent rules that you wrote and cry for, then come public and bash anyone you want. And please quit putting out FALSE information about costs etc, it only makes you look like more of an idiot and the association that you represent

I already said I like your rules better(if they would ever be enforced) but yet you are so hung up on stuff that doesnt even affect you. Are you even an SBI member? I'll answer it for you, NO. So as I have said time and time again, worry about keeping your enablers(the guys that buy boats for you and pay for you to race) happy and let it all happen the way it will all fall into place. Before anyone spends dime one on either the old or the new, they will do extensive homework and the FALSE information that you put out there, isnt a real good selling feature for the group you represent once they find out the truth

I understand you will always have guys that cheat. Its part of racing. How many times was the Watch your back team caught? Cheaters will always give you some excuse.

Is Mercs price that far out of hand? I just cant see how you can police these guys better when your back to using carbs and antiquated ways.

We all know some guys had hot motors in the factory days. But most were straight up. I think 97 had the guys disqualified, but after that most of the motors that were impounded were legal. 98-01 they were all legal fo the winners at the worlds.

Why does SBI allow the motors to be turned up? What is the reasoning behind this move? Just faster speeds?

restrictor plate :whistle: tons of other automotive racing leagues use plates to level the field when the engines are not even close. LeMans, Wrc, Nascar, F1, Super GT, etc, Cheap and easy to enforce.

The speeds are not that far out of line,maybe 1-2 mph if they're lucky. IMHO SBI saw how OPA's Super Vee class went to the "there is only so much you can do to a 525" rules and saw that it was in fact easier and more cost effective for enforcement procedures. The PCM 555 has been cracked and can easily be reprogrammed and Merc seals are easily obtainable from various outlets ie EBay as well as there is no affordable conclusive ways to verify RPM's. The closest that they have come is the approx $2000 datalogger that is run by SunPrint.

In talking with several of the guys on the SBI side, I saw that they are wanting to open it up to all engine builders(you can only do so much within the parameters set) and with the total lack of support from the 2 billion a year cash cow for Brunswick, allow the guys that show up and will support their product(within reason) an opportunity.

l said ln another thread that some of the racers were talking about carb motors but they all thought l was crazy atleast someone else see's the tree through the frostest with us...MSD would be a big help. But lts somethng we r just looking at for the future, and the bulders we spoke to can make those motor for a much better price and reliable. We can govern the RPM 100% that way and use RPM for parity pretty easy.

Nice clean simple real race motor thats reliable and affordable

Hopefully you guys will figure it all out and come up with something that works. Would be nice to have everyone be able to race together.

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Come on guys my new customer< my new shop> our new boat is waiting for you'll, lets do out of the BOX!!! All of us understand some have more that can make their box looks like our box. Someone has to police the box. Our project for another piece depends on you'll. Let us know your show or fun poker runs with A/C and a cooler.

Whats the price for a new OUTERLIMITS SVL on a trailer ready to win . I would think 175 to 200 grand. there non lid boat with a 525 was sellimg around 175. I heard at a pokerrun , while I was talking to Mike's dad Paul.We were talking about how cool it would be to pull my Gellner 1100 out of the 28 saber and put into the new 29 OL lol. I would luv to run svl. hope to run the saber in 5 or4 one of these days or even put the 24ol back together run class 6. just don't have the funds or health right now.:eekdrop: