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Jason Johnson 02-20-2013 03:22 PM

Victory Reportedly Withdraws from Class 1
 
It appears that the Victory Team has withdrawn from the 2013 Class 1 season…

http://speedonthewater.com/in-the-ne...m-class-1.html

Cash Bar 02-20-2013 03:26 PM

Qatar has a firm schedule here. Can we get Victory to join them?

Oh, pretty please?

precisiondetails 02-20-2013 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Cash Bar (Post 3871576)
Qatar has a firm schedule here. Can we get Victory to join them?

Oh, pretty please?

That would help for sure!!

Donzi ZX 02-20-2013 06:00 PM

I'd love for Victory to hit the US circuit.

26awesome 02-20-2013 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by donzi zx (Post 3871656)
i'd love for victory to hit the us circuit.

+1

ILMORdude 02-20-2013 09:26 PM

Why else would they withdraw?? They are coming here to battle with Team USA Geico and Team Qatar for the "Ryder" Cup!

professor_speed 02-20-2013 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by ILMORdude (Post 3871820)
Why else would they withdraw?? They are coming here to battle with Team USA Geico and Team Qatar for the "Ryder" Cup!

If this is the case Then Somebody better be in negotiations with Speed Channel to get offshore racing on TV, cause 2013 will be epic.

ILMORdude 02-21-2013 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by professor_speed (Post 3871854)
If this is the case Then Somebody better be in negotiations with Speed Channel to get offshore racing on TV, cause 2013 will be epic.

Sure would be bada$$!

Wahoo ATV 02-21-2013 09:32 AM

I want to see TEAM US CMS in that mix too

Matt Trulio 02-21-2013 03:24 PM

Jason Johnson's story got me thinking (risky stuff, I know) ...

Viewed from afar, the grass seems a whole greener in UIM Class 1. But when you talk to people who are in it and have been so for a long time, you learn that, much as you wish otherwise, it's not.

They have politics. They have power struggles. They have battles over technical rule changes. They have checkbook racing.

About the only issue we have in domestic offshore racing that they don't? A gazillion classes that make no sense to anyone other than the racers who compete in them.

I take no satisfaction in the struggles of UIM Class 1. In fact, I wish it presented a complete and thriving model for offshore racing worldwide. Sadly, it does not. No one has it completely figured out. No one. But like the rest of you, I'm hopeful

RVRCAT28 02-22-2013 03:50 PM

Interesting. Raceboat magazine painted this as a sign of economic struggles in Dubai. It would be real cool if they brought their boats over to race. It would be cool to see CMS, Gasse, Geico, and others race against them. They all have raced with or against each other in some capacity. I don't know why Victory Team would pull out of Class 1, they seem to control it, to race over here. I am unable to link the article from Raceboat International Magazine.

Rik 02-22-2013 10:05 PM

Doubtful they would come to the U.S.!

The U.S. is not without faults as well and seeing what happened to the Maritimo team after Key West, why would anyone come to the US to race?

What a sad state of affairs boat racing is in and with this economy hard to see it improving any.

phragle 02-22-2013 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by Matt Trulio (Post 3872189)
Jason Johnson's story got me thinking (risky stuff, I know) ...

Viewed from afar, the grass seems a whole greener in UIM Class 1. But when you talk to people who are in it and have been so for a long time, you learn that, much as you wish otherwise, it's not.

They have politics. They have power struggles. They have battles over technical rule changes. They have checkbook racing.

About the only issue we have in domestic offshore racing that they don't? A gazillion classes that make no sense to anyone other than the racers who compete in them.

I take no satisfaction in the struggles of UIM Class 1. In fact, I wish it presented a complete and thriving model for offshore racing worldwide. Sadly, it does not. No one has it completely figured out. No one. But like the rest of you, I'm hopeful

Nascar is a buisness. The Corporation rules. Offshore racing is a hobby sport with type A thrillseeking egomaniacs with various sized checkbooks and their own iinterests at heart. Unless something big comes in from outside the sport, organizes it and throws dollars at it with a way of getting more dollars back... There really isn't much hope. If the racers are having fun, I think thats about the best you can hope for and expect.

precisiondetails 02-22-2013 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 3873129)
Doubtful they would come to the U.S.!

The U.S. is not without faults as well and seeing what happened to the Maritimo team after Key West, why would anyone come to the US to race?

What a sad state of affairs boat racing is in and with this economy hard to see it improving any.

What Happened to the Maritimo team? They won the world Championship I thought?...

precisiondetails 02-22-2013 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 3873135)
Nascar is a buisness. The Corporation rules. Offshore racing is a hobby sport with type A thrillseeking egomaniacs with various sized checkbooks and their own iinterests at heart. Unless something big comes in from outside the sport, organizes it and throws dollars at it with a way of getting more dollars back... There really isn't much hope. If the racers are having fun, I think thats about the best you can hope for and expect.

That's perfectly said my friend!

flat rate 02-22-2013 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 3873129)
Doubtful they would come to the U.S.!

The U.S. is not without faults as well and seeing what happened to the Maritimo team after Key West, why would anyone come to the US to race?

What a sad state of affairs boat racing is in and with this economy hard to see it improving any.

Actually you couldn't be farther from the truth! Logistics is a nightmare for classone. And I think the Sheik Hassan has stated that and is back his third time!

Rik 02-23-2013 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by flat rate (Post 3873172)
Actually you couldn't be farther from the truth! Logistics is a nightmare for classone. And I think the Sheik Hassan has stated that and is back his third time!

Did you read what I wrote? Never mentioned logistic's as that is very easy in the US as everything is centralized on the South East mostly.

Rik 02-23-2013 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 3873151)
What Happened to the Maritimo team? They won the world Championship I thought?...

Afterwards. The collective banned the boat as it has "Surface Drives" and a wider tunnel.

Anyone notice what the rest of the world races....:whistle:

LaughingCat 02-23-2013 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by professor_speed (Post 3871854)
If this is the case Then Somebody better be in negotiations with Speed Channel to get offshore racing on TV, cause 2013 will be epic.

Maybe all the races should be help in Alaska. Then Discovery Channel would make a series out of it.

professor_speed 02-23-2013 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 3873200)
Afterwards. The collective banned the boat as it has "Surface Drives" and a wider tunnel.

Anyone notice what the rest of the world races....:whistle:

Wow that's pretty messed up. So did they ban it for future races? or did they strip the title? Did they ban it based on just tunnel? or was it cause of the drives?

flat rate 02-23-2013 10:55 AM

The new superboat class has a 66 inch max tunnel and six drives only. That wasnt a secret in November.

skaterdave 02-23-2013 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by professor_speed (Post 3873350)
Wow that's pretty messed up. So did they ban it for future races? or did they strip the title? Did they ban it based on just tunnel? or was it cause of the drives?

its cause they won, and the rest were being cry baby's.... typical offshore racing. they say they want to race everyone and anyone and then as soon the elite of that particular class losses they start finding ways to get rid of the competition. look at the unlimited class that is ...............................

limited to piston only ?????????

no one ever learns from history,,,,,,,,,,,look back at supercat in its heyday, tommy bahama and the other shaft drive mti seemed to have an edge even with same tunnel width and added weight. was it that they tested more, had good setup guys, throttleman or sterling power vs merc ?

Rik 02-23-2013 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by flat rate (Post 3873357)
The new superboat class has a 66 inch max tunnel and six drives only. That wasnt a secret in November.

Do you or anyone for that matter, honestly believe that Barry Cotter spent all that money to send a race boat over to the US with crew if he thought he could not race? SBI told them and they ASKED if they were going to be legal in the class before they sent the boat. You do realize they came and that was b/c they were informed they were legal for the class. Why else would they derig the boat from its current power, and spend the money on smaller engines to come to the US?

Afterwards, everyone complained and voted it a Merc drive and tunnel restriction class as no one could afford to step up to a new boat they claimed nor purchase surface drives.

Rik 02-23-2013 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by skaterdave (Post 3873366)
its cause they won, and the rest were being cry baby's.... typical offshore racing. they say they want to race everyone and anyone and then as soon the elite of that particular class losses they start finding ways to get rid of the competition. look at the unlimited class that is ...............................

limited to piston only ?????????

no one ever learns from history,,,,,,,,,,,look back at supercat in its heyday, tommy bahama and the other shaft drive mti seemed to have an edge even with same tunnel width and added weight. was it that they tested more, had good setup guys, throttleman or sterling power vs merc ?


The irony in all this is that each racer had the chance to purchase surface drives or Merc. They all believed that Merc was better until they they saw the difference first hand.

Look at the winners in the races in KW.

Qatar
Maritimo
Tilted Kilt
Aqua Mania

Honorable mentions:
Geico
Lucas Oil
Sheds Plus
Metamarine
Semper Fi

All have surface drives and everyone wants more racers to race in the US but the US is the only country that runs predominately Merc. Then they close ranks and make the new classes Merc only.

Then everyone says "why are there no surface drive boats racing"?

J Arruda 02-23-2013 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 3873452)
The irony in all this is that each racer had the chance to purchase surface drives or Merc. They all believed that Merc was better until they they saw the difference first hand.

Look at the winners in the races in KW.

Qatar
Maritimo
Tilted Kilt
Aqua Mania

Honorable mentions:
Geico
Lucas Oil
Sheds Plus
Metamarine
Semper Fi

All have surface drives and everyone wants more racers to race in the US but the US is the only country that runs predominately Merc. Then they close ranks and make the new classes Merc only.

Then everyone says "why are there no surface drive boats racing"?

Surface drives are the way to go for sure.
We have never had any issues with that setup.

Regardless of what SBI have in the books. The Maritimo guys are winners. They put on a great show, and are hard core racers. Hats off.

Rik 02-23-2013 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by J Arruda (Post 3873461)
Surface drives are the way to go for sure.
We have never had any issues with that setup.

Regardless of what SBI have in the books. The Maritimo guys are winners. They put on a great show, and are hard core racers. Hats off.

I don't believe they were stripped of the 12' KW title as much as they and like boats were banned for the 13' season in the new Superboat class which everyone was wanting racers to join in.

flat rate 02-23-2013 08:18 PM

Tilted Kilts drives looked good in KW btw.

Rik 02-23-2013 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by flat rate (Post 3873607)
Tilted Kilts drives looked good in KW btw.

Of course

flat rate 02-23-2013 08:36 PM

:lolhit:

J Arruda 02-23-2013 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 3873464)
I don't believe they were stripped of the 12' KW title as much as they and like boats were banned for the 13' season in the new Superboat class which everyone was wanting racers to join in.

I guess they will just need to join us guys in unlimited turbine class.
We welcome them, and their surface drives :).

Rik 02-24-2013 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by flat rate (Post 3873621)
:lolhit:

Maybe you should try racing yourself:lolhit:

goatskin 02-24-2013 09:19 PM

Or maybe not ... http://raceboatinternational.com/index.php?id=810

flat rate 02-24-2013 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 3873881)
Maybe you should try racing yourself:lolhit:

now thats funny !

Ryan Beckley 02-25-2013 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by flat rate (Post 3873607)
Tilted Kilts drives looked good in KW btw.

They were ripped off the back of the boat in the first turn on the first lap of the Sunday race...... for the second time in two years. :poopoo:

Ryan Beckley 02-25-2013 09:17 AM

http://www.sport360.com/motorsport/d...each-agreement

flat rate 02-25-2013 09:55 AM

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Donzi ZX 02-25-2013 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley (Post 3874298)
They were ripped off the back of the boat in the first turn on the first lap of the Sunday race...... for the second time in two years. :poopoo:

To be fair, if I remember the race right, weren't they on the far end of the course, and just launched off a huge wave went it happened? The boat was so far airborne that it completely submarined when they landed. Hard to imagine ANY drive that could withstand a beating like that...

Rik 02-25-2013 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Donzi ZX (Post 3874423)
To be fair, if I remember the race right, weren't they on the far end of the course, and just launched off a huge wave went it happened? The boat was so far airborne that it completely submarined when they landed. Hard to imagine ANY drive that could withstand a beating like that...

The new larger diameter steering cylinders when steer'd fully over came into contact with the drive socket breaking it. No big deal they are back on the water.

Anything else Ryann? That was the first time that happened, the previous year a trim cylinder nut came off.

Flat Rate, do you want to race against Tilted Kilt?:lolhit:

skaterdave 02-25-2013 02:13 PM

probably why all the big boys run BPM drives

goatskin 02-25-2013 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by skaterdave (Post 3874514)
probably why all the big boys run BPM drives

I think Arneson makes BPM drives, don't they? I don't think they are in marketing of them, tho.

Who sells BPM in the states?


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