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Old 09-10-2013 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CLA
Big name manufacuter band aids it with a tunnel tab, and you guys think they can design a pressure system???? Get real.

Nope....they would contract it out.
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Old 09-10-2013 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TexasVines
I have said it a number of times in threads like these

there needs to be computer controlled flight control surfaces on some of these boats.......the technology is there, the price should be negligible for a boat that cost what these boats cost and I think it would make a difference

high performance cars like a Veyron have a shopping cart wing that changes with the speed, aircraft of all types have autopilot and nascar has the hatch lid (that is apparently much more engineered than just a hatch opening up)

put a gyro/computer controlled wing on the front of these boats and set it to prevent any type of "liftoff" angle from ever being reached and then further set it for a "slam the nose back down" angle of attack if there is some type of liftoff
LMMFAO

Comparing a big name CAT to Veyron is like comparing a Cessna to the space shuttle. Think about it dude.
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Old 09-10-2013 | 11:55 AM
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You can easily see on the video that there was plenty of room to pass in front of the cruiser. At the same time of the wreck another fast boat passed with plenty of room to spare.
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Old 09-10-2013 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Level III Chaos
Nope....they would contract it out.
Absolutly they would. Because all boat manufacuters have millions of dollars in R&D money just sitting around. You know the boat industy has some of the best business minds behind it! LMAO
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Old 09-10-2013 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jmoore1225
Discussing & talking about a subject is 1 thing.... Repeatedly calling people stupid, a jackass, if I was to see him in person I'd be beating his a** is a keyboard cowboy!! Just like a few on here have been doing.

That's why myself and othesr limit their time on OSO because this crap (name calling) is allowed and I don't mean by the site or the moderators, but my the members, nobody needs to put up with that crap.
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Old 09-10-2013 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jmoore1225
All you guys running your mouth about how stupid or moronic these guys are were not there, your not seeing what they seen for them to choose those lines. Nor were you there seeing all these spectators pushing the envelope to see just how close they could position themselves just so they could get footage just like I posted. Should they not be so close WELL YA, but unless your in those boats who to say that wasn't the safest line

The idea is the speeds are too high for an open course. I believe is what the majority are saying. This thread is about changing PR format and I agree. 150+ in these lakes is too much for an open course. Just because a poker run is going on does not give anyone sole right to the lake. The shootout is at least on a closes marked course.

It will never be done safely without lowering speeds or closing courses. Don't worry with these wrecks happening and boats going faster the government will fix it. If organizers and sponsors would get together and fix it first then that could be avoided.
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Old 09-10-2013 | 11:57 AM
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It wouldn't be that tough to install an inclinometer. At a given angle and speed the tunnel tab opens 100%. You could also have doors near the front on top of the tunnel that also open to dump air.
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Old 09-10-2013 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 682gold
I have a question about the boats in this small clip. Were these spectator boats anchored in the way? Are the cats so far off course they have to be this close to a spectator? Doesn't seem that way. It seems the only thing pushing these two boats is each other. If I'm wrong please let me know but that seems a little close to me.
No body anchors, waters to rough & to deep, Everyone just floats. Boats look to be off course a bit. But also there was a spectator sitting right in the middle of the lake, which I seen more of this year than ever before. The drivers might have made some bonehead moves, spectators were making even more boneheads moves & putting these guys & themselves in even more dangerous situations by making these guys make split second decisions on what's the best path they should take. Everyone in this 10 or so mile stretch from the start to where the wreck occurred "ALL" know there is a run going on.
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Old 09-10-2013 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CLA
I've only owned Cat's for 9 years so not as much experience as some of these guys, but IMO at 150mph plus there is no time to do anything.
Like flying a fighter jet your thoughts and actions must be way beyond where your azz is setting .
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Old 09-10-2013 | 12:04 PM
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There's no way of knowing what percentage of people are on one side or the other when it comes to the racing aspect of poker runs, speeds, and whether spectators are ruining anyone's fun. Some of the comments in the past about boat wakes and spectators being the problem would make 99% of boaters shake their heads. I'm leaning towards the attitude and ego aspect more than anything else. Many that go to poker runs think they are all opportunities to do what you want when you want, and how you want. It's presumed by some that if you have a $500,000 plus boat with massive power, you should be treated just like the rockstar that trashes his hotel room.

Thankfully, this thread has shown that they are apparently in the minority of the minority now. Because if some of the comments here were printed in the news, or worse, on TV, these events would be shutdown much quicker than what is already happening. What is happening on inland lakes, for those that don't know, is that everyday boaters are being routinely restricted more and more because of these events. Lakes that don't have them, don't want them. Some have instituted speed limits that make bowrider owners cry, some have gone to size and/or weight restrictions. (I'll be the first to nominate the typical bowrider with a tube in tow as one of the most dangerous people in the country). But people don't care about that as much, because they stay lower profile.

Whomever is in charge of these events, or in charge of approving them, has probably heard from detractors many times. There are many performance boaters that have voiced their own concerns about safety, and it's happening more frequently. As much fun as speed may be, it's not so much fun to realize someone just blew by you at over 100 mph inside of 20 feet. Some have said the boats were too close to the poker runners, which in some videos, would mean anywhere near the lake itself, much less actually On the water.

Some have been thoughtful enough to continually ask people to be more alert, slow down when possible, and realize these aren't races. Many realize that nothing's changed, and soon their own fun will be impaired. Because of the reckless nature of some of these boats on open, public bodies of water, many people with boats that are significantly slower, and/or are far more courteous and safer operators, will have to pay the price as well. Inland waterways won't set speed limits of 100 mph, they will set limits lower than 50, spurred on by those that hate most powerboats anyway. The noise patrols will become the next limit (as is already the case in most areas). There are still some fun poker runs left where people view them as social get togethers, fun boating weekends.

I guess where I lost any faith at all is when someone compared a spectator's boat that was buzzed by as an obstacle, and equated it to laying on your couch in the middle of a racetrack. Comments like that are constantly pointed to by people that hate performance boats, and by their lawyers as well. Everyone knows these poker runs are competitive races with little in the way of rules. Now they can read comments about how other boats on public waterways are obstacles. They probably don't realize how important these people are, and that piloting a boat at 160 mph is made more difficult when anyone else is on the lake. Those comments don't go over well with the vast majority of boaters, or the general public.

There are some great people here trying their darndest to give some pretty good advice. Nobody's proposed anything overly restrictive, nothing onerous, nothing really harsh at all. Think of these people as your best buddies in life. They also have selfish reasons for sure, because they know that it won't be long before you ruin their boating life. As some have said, you need to take their advice soon. The alternatives will be far, far more harsh. The alternatives will lessen powerboating not only for other performance boaters, but for a vast majority of boaters nationwide. I can pretty much guarantee you nobody's going to be polishing anyone's halo after that happens.
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